Scott -
This list is about NetView usage, period. It is not a marketing channel,
no matter how much you would like it to be one. It has no official
standing within the company. And no opinion here is official, especially
not mine. I thought that was clear a long time ago. We are contributing
to the NetView users' group, nothing more.
I am sorry that you cannot get a quick answer to your questions, but I
cannot help that. I try to answer questions here based on what I know and
what I have seen, but those answers are still not official. The question
I thought I was answering was "Can I get SNA topology on the SAME NetView
GUI I have today using Solaris?" I am confident that the answer to that
question is "no."
So let's get clear about what specific question is being asked.
Can TBSM give you SNA topology in map form on your Solaris box? Maybe,
but it will NOT be part of the NetView GUI.
TBSM's job is to unify views under business systems, and to identify
components which are keeping those systems from functioning, and the only
demo I saw of it, over a year ago, and before any of the recent
announcements and refinements were made, showcased it's own GUI. . Exactly
how it looks today, and what you can see on it after the recent
announcements, I don't know, but I believe that it still has its own GUI.
The TBSM that I saw even required it's own Windows/NT box to run on. It
had an NT GUI quite a bit different from NetView's. You drilled down into
icons which were red, yellow, or green, indicating their status, but it
that was an NT representation of processes running on other systems, and
not the NetView map.
I will grant you that there is not nearly enough detail in the recent
marketing announcements, but no one who volunteers on this list, not me,
not Pam Geiger, nor anyone else, has the responsibility of clarifying how
TBSM works on this list. I suggest you be patient and let your marketing
rep get those details for you. That is his job. Not ours. I would, as I
am sure anyone else would, clarify things for you if we could, but this is
not the place to expect such an answer.
Regards
James Shanks
Level 3 Support for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group
"Barr, Scott" <Scott_Barr AT csgsystems DOT com>
04/16/2002 02:30 PM
To: <nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com>
cc:
Subject: RE: [nv-l] Netview 7.1 and Netview v2.3 OS390
Okay guys, this is probably not a good time for this, but...
<flame on>
TIVOLI! ARE YOU LISTENING!
So far - today alone, I have heard that TBSM will work, I have heard TBSM
won't work, I have heard MSM has everything I need, I have heard that I
can only do this with AIX and service point
I mean it seriously, I have talked to my Tivoli representative today who
assures me that TBSM is what I need. I have heard Bill Evans direct me to
a manual (thank you, very informative by the way) AND James telling me
there is no solution that he knows of (I thought James knew *everything*
::sniff sniff::)
This is after my Tivoli rep apologized for them not being able to respond
to this question for more than 6 months and mumbling about product
streamlining yada yada yada yada
I think if you read Jane Curry's posts about product literature, you begin
to understand that NONE of us has a clue of what any of the Tivoli
products do - except NetView and even Tivoli/IBM's own documentation is
confusing, misleading, absent or vague.
Pam Geiger are you listening? This is a mess.
<flame off>
Thanks for everyone's input. I still don't know what to do but at least I
know of 4 ways it will work or 4 ways it won't work and one of those has
to be right... er wrong. Well, you know what I mean.
-----Original Message-----
From: James Shanks [mailto:jshanks AT us.ibm DOT com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 1:14 PM
To: nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com
Subject: RE: [nv-l] Netview 7.1 and Netview v2.3 OS390
Scott -
I wasn't party to your question 5 years ago, and I would have answered it
on this forum in the past had I seen it. I apologize if you did not get
the answer in a timely fashion, but there is nothing I can do about that.
There are no "SNA topology on NetView" solutions for Solaris that I know
of, and so far as I know, never have been. Since all the products we have
been talking about are no longer being developed, it is unlikely that
there will be any. You would have to switch back to AIX. At one time,
all those products came under the marketing heading of "IBM value-add"
which means they were specifically designed to provide a reason to use
IBM-only products end-to-end rather than those of other vendors.
I am sorry but I have no knowledge of the internals of Tivoli Business
Systems Manager nor what it can or cannot do for you. That product does
use NetView data as a feeder, but I don't believe that you get a topology
map. I suggest that you pursue TBSM through your Tivoli marketing rep or
through another avenue rather than this forum. You aren't likely to get a
detailed answer here.
Regards
James Shanks
Level 3 Support for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group
"Barr, Scott" <Scott_Barr AT csgsystems DOT com>
04/16/2002 01:45 PM
To: <nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com>
cc:
Subject: RE: [nv-l] Netview 7.1 and Netview v2.3 OS390
Okay, now that you have answered my question from 5 years ago... (when I
used AIX) how about Solaris? I know about AIX service point (dead horse,
move on) and am being spun in a lot of directions trying to get the
question answered (simple things like can this be done? and which
product?).
I need an IP solution from Solaris to OS/390 (v2r10) Where does Tivoli
business systems manager fit into this?
-----Original Message-----
From: James Shanks [mailto:jshanks AT us.ibm DOT com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 12:40 PM
To: nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com
Subject: RE: [nv-l] Netview 7.1 and Netview v2.3 OS390
Scott Barr (and others of course) can still get SNA topology on the
NetView map if that is what is wanted.
SNA/6000 has been replaced by AIX Communication Server, which does that
job. It's a pre-req for talking SNA Manager/6000 which is used to get the
SNA topology into NetView. SNA Manager massages view data from NetView
V2.3 to obtain that topology. Once that is on the map, SNA Manager
queries VTAM for status periodically, performing a function similar to
netmon for SNA nodes. There has not been any new development on these
products for years, though they are still officially supported because all
attempts to withdraw them have failed. There just seems to be a small
cadre of folks, who say they want to see SNA topology and status on the
same map as NetView.
And Service Point is still supported for the same reason, because some
folks want to pass NetView traps up to NetView/390 as SNA alerts, and send
commands back. Every time we try to withdraw it, someone identifies it
as a mission critical product, so it is still supported, old and rickety
or not. Last I heard over 300 customers world-wide said they were
(still) using it.
James Shanks
Level 3 Support for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and NT
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group
"Paul Sandler" <paul AT swebs DOT com>
04/16/2002 01:25 PM
To: "NetView mailing list" <nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com>
cc:
Subject: RE: [nv-l] Netview 7.1 and Netview v2.3 OS390
You need SNA/6000 to push SNA to the unix box. I'm not even sure that
still exists. Very few takers on that product.
We also push IP to GMF/RODM. Great way to watch the world from one
console, or as many consoles as needed.
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: "Barr, Scott" <Scott_Barr AT csgsystems DOT com>
To: "NetView mailing list" <nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com>
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:17:58 -0500
Subject: RE: [nv-l] Netview 7.1 and Netview v2.3 OS390
> Okay, so tell me what I do to make my NetView v7.11 interface (traps
> and topology) with NetView (TME 10 v1.3). I want SNA topology on the
> Unix box not Unix topology on the SNA box. Make sense?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Evans [mailto:wvevans AT attglobal DOT net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:52 AM
> To: Jane Curry
> Cc: Ingleson Peter; NetView mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nv-l] Netview 7.1 and Netview v2.3 OS390
>
>
> You missed the revolution, Jane, when my old createion the Service
> Point
> connection of the early 90's was superceded by the Mult-System
> Manager.
> MSM provides an agent for NetView for AIX (don't remember if it also
> supports Solaris) and support on the S/390 side to do what the old
> AIX-SP does (traps to alerts) over a TCPIP session. The MSM support
> at
> the 390 also translates the other way (alerts to traps).
>
> The total solution allows "discovery" of the topology known to
> NV-Unix
> and places the data in the RODM database. The BSM or NV-390 graphics
> console then will display the TCPIP topology maps. They are the same
> layouts as provided by NV-Unix but use the NV-390 graphing
> techniques.
>
> I still believe in SNA but it just never made sense to put the SNA
> support on the AIX box just to link the NetViews.
>
> Hope this helps Peter.
>
> Jane Curry wrote:
>
> >Peter,
> >This used to be possible with Service Point and IBM Communications
> Services
> >(though some of the names may have changed by now - not used this
> stuff for a
> >goodly number of years). The comms mechanism was, I believe, LU6.2,
> not
> >TCP/IP. The distributed NetView daemons tralertd and spappld need
> activating to
> >control this communication.
> >
> >Another possibility, if you have an SNMP TRAP collector on your
> OS/390, is
> >simply to forward traps from your distributed NetView to your /390
> world (from
> >the NetView trap customisation panel).
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Jane
> >Ingleson Peter wrote:
> >
> >>Is it possible to configure Netview 7.1 AIX 4.3.3 to talk to
> Netview v2.3 on
> >>OS390, ideally TCP\IP would be desired as the means of
> communication. A yes
> >>would a good start, but if someone knows of redbooks or
> configuration
> >>examples that would be ideal.
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Peter Ingleson
> >>Systems Engineer
> >>NCM
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