Re: Is tape spanning documented anywhere?
2006-06-13 08:54:48
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote:
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 at 12:55pm, Toralf Lund wrote
Paul Bijnens wrote:
Taping one DLE is several "runs" opens a can of worms: you have to
add a notion of "partial" succeeded. Restoring then needs some tapes
and some holdingdisk files. What if the holdingdisk crashes or
accidently rm the files before all of it is written to tape? etc.
This would be a bit of an issue, of course. I'm wondering if the
would the situation be that much different from the one we have
today, though. Holding disk crash or file removal is always going to
be a serious problem, of course. But if you have a partial tape dump
of the data, you will at least be able to recover some of it... Maybe
it would be wise to keep all data on the
To throw my $.02 in here, the situations would be very different. If
one is "forced" to have all DLEs "tapeable" in one amdump run, then
(theoretically), nothing will be left on the holding disk to lose
should said disk die.
But we're talking about a situation where the DLEs are not "tapeable".
The alternatives are writing parts of a DLE and writing nothing at all.
Or maybe, if the scheduling setup was also changed, there *would* be
some additional DLEs there to loose - but these would never be taped
with the current version either - they would actually not even be dumped...
That's obviously not the case if single DLEs are allowed to span
amdumps, and the holding disk dies between amdumps.
Having the entire night's amdump run on tape at the end of the amdump
gives me that warm fuzzy feeling inside.
There will be nothing that prevents you from getting that *if it is
possible*. But again, in the World I'm talking about, you simply won't
get everything on tape. You can only choose between *something* or
nothing at all...
Maybe it's just me being curmudgeonly (it wouldn't be the first time
-- hell, I haven't found a WM I like more than fvwm2) and slavishly
adhering to the KISS method. But I think backups *should* adhere to
the KISS method.
Normally I would agree, but I have to back up 3Tb of data organised as
one single volume. The only "simple" option would be to have one 3Tb
tape as well, but such a thing isn't available (to me at least.) Also, I
think the whole tape splitting concept is inherently complex, and what I
suggest here doesn't change the complexity level. The complexity was
introduced already, I'm just talking about a *simple* implementation
adjustment...
What happens in the current version if amdump is interrupted while
writing the 2nd tape, by the way?
I assume the same thing that would happen if amdump were interrupted
while writing to the 1st tape. The image being written to tape would
be marked FAILED TO TAPE and be left on the holding disk (along with
any other images that hadn't been written yet), and the user would be
encouraged to run amflush.
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