On Tuesday 01 December 2009 17:25:04 Robert Hartzell wrote:
> Ryan Novosielski wrote:
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> > Robert Hartzell wrote:
> >> Kern Sibbald wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> <serious-flame>
> >>>
> >>> I very seldom complain publicly about vendors such as Sun Microsystems,
> >>> so this is a bit unusual. Just to note, in 1983, Sun was the first
> >>> Unix system that I had ever used, and I continuously used it until
> >>> about 1998, when I switched to Linux. Their OS was quite stable and
> >>> worked with a lot of high end equipment. I enjoyed working with it,
> >>> but found that Linux OS was very nice and worked with much cheaper and
> >>> more available hardware (the reason for my switch to Linux).
> >>>
> >>> Recently I tried loading OpenSolaris in a VM, and I discovered that
> >>> they somehow have remained frozen in time in 1998 and had not
> >>> significantly improved their user interface -- a big disappointment for
> >>> me. I ended up with a default system that had a Java user interface
> >>> and a /home/kern that was read-only (can you imagine that by default
> >>> your home directory is read-only?). I finally gave up.
> >>
> >> What do you mean by "Java user interface"? Opensolaris is currently
> >> using Gnome Desktop version 2.28.0
> >
> > I'm not sure what OpenSolaris version is in use these days or how much
> > different it is from Solaris 10, but Solaris 10 is using something they
> > they call Java Desktop, but I believe it is a skinned GNOME as well. The
> > interface may look the same as 1998 (some would call that a selling
> > point -- I'm personally indifferent), but it's current stuff.
>
> I think the stable release is 2009.06 (build 111) and the dev builds are
> released roughly every two weeks (currenly build 127).
> It's trivial to image-update to the latest snapshot... and if something
> goes wrong just a reboot to get back to a stable release.
>
> >> Are you using the automounter to mount /export/home/kern to /home/kern?
> >> if autofs is turned on (default) you can't write to /home because thats
> >> where the user directories are mounted
> >
> > Ah! I was confused about this one myself. Solaris doesn't use /home/kern
> > anyhow, it would tend to use /export/home/kern. When that's the
> > convention, you just go with it, and you tend not to run into these
> > problems.
> >
> >>> I would have been happy to leave things there, but Sun has not stopped
> >>> making my life difficult. First they bought MySQL, which is heavily
> >>> used by Bacula users. Their latest source prerelease for Solaris,
> >>> which two of our regression testers were using was simply broken and
> >>> did not work. Great, Sun buys MySQL and breaks it! I can understand
> >>> why the MySQL developers are leaving and MariaDB was created -- what a
> >>> pity.
> >>
> >> This was due to a compiler bug:
> >> http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=49091
> >> a simple fix is to use mysql5 instead of the default mysql51
> >> "pkg install SUNWmysql5"
> >
> > Thanks for the information -- this made me a little nervous, but I
> > figured that it wasn't really the way it sounded. I don't even think Sun
> > is that intimately involved in MySQL at this point, are they? At least
> > not non-MySQL Sun people.
> >
> >>> For the last several users I have been using VirtualBox. It has worked
> >>> perfectly. Recently, my RHEL 64 when applying upgrades upgraded from
> >>> RHEL 5.3 to 5.4, then shortly later, the VM hard disk image destroyed
> >>> itself. The first time in 2 or 3 years that I had any problem. OK,
> >>> that kind of thing can happen.
> >
> > What is "destroyed itself?"
> >
> >>> So, I upgraded from VirtualBox version 2.2 to version 3.1 on my Xeon
> >>> machine. In doing so, the new Virtual box has destroyed *all* the VM
> >>> images that I had (8-10). I don't know if you have ever setup and
> >>> configured a VM, but it is not a trivial amount of work.
> >
> > Very peculiar. I upgraded from 2.2 to 2.4 to 3.0 (no 3.1 yet) and I have
> > not had any problems. I suppose I might want to back up my VM's though.
I went from 2.2 directly to 3.1; it was apparently that which made *all* my
VMs incompatible. I completely reinstalled 3.1 and reloaded new isos, and so
far it seems to be running, but what a pain.
>
> I have a system set up as a VBoxHeadless server and have upgraded many
> times without issue. I have my .VirtualBox directory setup on its own
> zfs file system so i can do a snapshot before the upgrade. If the
> upgrade goes bad just do a zfs rollback.
>
> >>> As far as I am concerned Sun OpenSource software venture stinks. I
> >>> think with all the noise about Oracle buying them, and their blunders
> >>> in implementation of OpenSolaris, MySQL, and VirtualBox, they have
> >>> little chance of surviving in the Open Source software market. Perhaps
> >>> their high-end hardware offerings will fare better.
> >
> > They have a lot of faults (I would say the documentation that never
> > quite seems to relate to what I'm actually doing, the fact that you can
> > call tech support and get nine different answers, the fact that if the
> > question is hard, they may just not get back to you, etc...), but I
> > haven't run into any of these and continue to rate my experience with
> > them as largely positive.
>
> Opensolaris documentation lags behind thats for sure but then again
> isn't that true for most software... I've never delt with Sun tech
> support or for that matter any other vendors tech support. Online forums
> always have worked for me.
>
> Since I installed Opensolaris I've been very pleased and have never
> looked back.
Good luck.
Kern
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