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Re: VXA-2 packet-loader issues and AMANDA [Fwd: hard luck with the new autoloader]

2005-02-03 23:23:49
Subject: Re: VXA-2 packet-loader issues and AMANDA [Fwd: hard luck with the new autoloader]
From: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett AT verizon DOT net>
To: amanda-users AT amanda DOT org, freelsjd AT ornl DOT gov
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:17:40 -0500
On Thursday 03 February 2005 17:49, James D. Freels wrote:
>No.  It should be still Alpha compatible.  The problem is that the
>firmware upgrade utilities
>for Linux are binary-only so I cannot compile them for the alpha nor
> run them on the alpha.

Are you saying its not a case of dd if=inputfile of=tape-device?  They 
may have it wrapped up in something thats intel specific, but I'd 
almost bet a cold one that this intel specific loader does exactly 
that, particularly if its an admin program that has to be pointed at 
the file to be used for the upgrade itself.

That doesn't mean you should jump right up and do it, but I'd sure be 
an inquisitive fly on the wall :)  Talking to those folks like you 
might know what to do will often get the info even if they don't want 
to confirm it.

Otherwise, I think if they insist on its being a wintel box that does 
the upgrade, I think I'd be a bit pushy about haveing them send 
someone out with the correct gear to do the upgrade if you don't have 
suitable gear on site, and definitely do it for nothing.  It should 
have been uptodate when it was shipped IMO.  I mean most changers are 
well above the 2000 dollar bill priceing range, some 10 to 20 times 
that price.   For that you can reasonably expect it to work, or they 
should be very co-operative about remedying the situation since the 
loss of the sale isn't exactly pocket change to either of you.  Use 
that leverage, politely, but use it.

>On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 16:19 -0500, Eric Siegerman wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 03:03:22PM -0500, James D. Freels wrote:
>> > Here is what [drive vendor's Tech Support said] is needed:
>> >
>> > 1) need a separate scsi chain; they said I already have too many
>> > scsi devices on this chain to make it reliable.
>>
>> See recent threads re. SCSI cables, bus lengths, etc.  (Recent ==
>> last month or two).
>>
>> > 2) need to upgrade the firmware in the autoloader to the latest
>> > version; this may not work on an alpha machine and more likely
>> > will only work from an Intel machine
>>
>> I sure hope you mean only that the upgrade process might need an
>> Intel box.  If that's the case, doing the firmware upgrades is
>> the cheapest and probably easiest thing to try, even if you do
>> have to do some temporary recabling (well, as long as you have an
>> Intel box with a SCSI adapter...)
>>
>> If on the other hand you mean that, once upgraded, the unit might
>> be less Alpha-compatible than it was before ... send the #&!*~
>> thing back for a refund! :-)

And thats your leverage.  There are more or less accepted protocols to 
running one of these things, and if in their haste to make it a 
proprietary device so they have a locked in customer, they have 
seriously broken the protocols, you shouldn't want it anyway.  What 
happens when you need to make a bare metal recovery and don't have, 
anyplace but on one of the tapes, a copy of the required 
protocol/access routines & the support contract has expired?  Thats 
not a scenario I'd want to find myself in, uh uh, no way Jose etc...

>> --
>>
>> |  | /\
>> |
>> |-_|/  >   Eric Siegerman, Toronto, Ont.        erics AT telepres DOT com
>> |
>> |  |  /
>>
>> The animal that coils in a circle is the serpent; that's why so
>> many cults and myths of the serpent exist, because it's hard to
>> represent the return of the sun by the coiling of a hippopotamus.
>>  - Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Pendulum"

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