Hello Bill,
Your email (below) is very well said.
I haven't read the IRC, but from what you say, even though you may not
have been in a good mood, I think it is quite an appropriate response to
"boycott" Bareos and Bareos users. There is certainly no reason why
Bareos users should be asking for help from Bacula users, and there is
no reason for Bacula users to spend time helping Bareos users.
At the same time, boycotting them will hopefully be be kept polite and
reasonable, because I would not like to see Bareos users mistreated or
any act that is not correct against them (it does not sound like that
happened).
To the Bacula users, thank you for the support you are providing both
for the project, helping new Bacula users, and for supporting me. I
have said it a number of times, but I think it is always worth
repeating, I am really proud of how friendly and helpful you all are
with new Bacula users as well as with the occasional difficult users or
situations.
=======
On a slightly different subject: Bacula 7.0.0. It seems that I really
bit off a much bigger piece than I can handle as I have scheduled the
following things to happen at the end of March:
1. New Bacula 7.0.0 major release (ready)
2. New look to the Bacula manuals with fixed lines (ready)
3. New Bacula website (almost ready)
4. Bacula Conference (*very* successful in my view)
5. Reporting on the Bacula Conference
I think we are going to do all the above by the end of March, but it is
a bit more work than I had imagined. I hope that everything will be
pulled together by the end of this week or early Monday. This
afternoon, I will send you the list of new features and other new
"services" that we have planned for you.
Best regards,
Kern
On 03/26/2014 03:04 AM, Bill Arlofski wrote:
> Hello everyone...
>
> Being directly involved in what has been called a "typical IRC
> experience", caused by "a few arrogant knobs", I'd like to chime in here
> to say that by idling in #bacula 24/7/365 and having helped many, many
> people with Bacula over time, what transpired yesterday
> was partly my fault for attempting to participate while I was in the
> middle of a complex, stressful multi-version Linux server upgrade
> followed by an upgrade of the Zimbra service on said server.
>
> In solidarity with Kern's dilemma of code theft etc, I made what I had
> thought at the time was a reasonable comment to show that #1: I
> (strongly) preferred to not help people running Bareos, and #2: I Made
> sure to provide a direct link to the Kern's blog where WebDawg could
> take some time to read and come back with questions etc...
>
> --[snip]--
> mtnbkr refuses to assist people asking for help with bareos - on
> principal. why? here's why: http://blog.bacula.org/category/bareos/
> --[snip]--
>
> However, my server upgrades took a turn for the worse, required all of
> my attention, and my comment with the link to Kern's blog was the last
> time I was in IRC until this morning when I saw what had transpired.
>
> When webdawg came back after reading Kern's blog posts, it first looked
> as if I was ignoring and shunning him due to my silence, which was
> followed by comments by others. I thought those comments were a bit
> uncharacteristic - especially from my years of experience in the #bacula
> channel, and knowing that the people making said comments are also
> _always_ very knowledgeable, patient, and helpful with everyone who
> comes by for help.
>
> When I stopped into the #bacula channel this morning an scrolled back to
> see what I may have missed in my absence, I felt bad when I saw what
> transpired, and wrote:
>
> --[snip]--
> " in my defense of not responding after I said I would not support
> bareos in #bacula, I was in the middle of upgrading a client's Ubuntu
> 8.04.4 LTS server to 10.04.4LTS and then to 12.04LTS so that we could
> upgrade their Zimbra email server from 7.2.5 to 8.0.6... Was VERY tied
> up due to techical difficulties. Would have liked to have had the chance
> to clarify and expound upon my comment to webdawg_ while he was here,
> but I was not even in IRC after that, until just now. And now I am
> running out of the office.... :-/ Cheers!"
> --[snip]--
>
>
> And then I saw this mailing list thread later in the day. :(
>
> I want to say for the record that I have been on IRC for many years, and
> while there are always issues, #bacula has been the single friendliest
> and helpful channel I have ever been a part of and I am proud to say so.
>
> Yesterday's events are so non-typical it is a little unexpected and
> surprising, and I really hate to see the #bacula on freenode IRC be
> grouped with all other "bad IRC experiences"
>
>
> Perhaps the channel's topic can include a "...We would prefer to not
> assist with Bareos questions - see this link to find out why:
> http://blog.bacula.org/category/bareos/";
>
> Then we can very politely point Bareos users to the topic and no one
> will be offended.
>
> I hope this helps to clarify the situation, and I hope it goes a little
> ways towards changing peoples' minds about IRC.
>
> #bacula is a friendly, helpful channel, join us.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
>
> mtnbkr on Freenode...
>
>
> --
> Bill Arlofski
> Reverse Polarity, LLC
> http://www.revpol.com/
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