Timothy J Massey wrote at about 10:23:55 -0400 on Wednesday, October 9, 2013:
 > "Tyler J. Wagner" <tyler AT tolaris DOT com> wrote on 10/09/2013 10:15:57 AM:
 > 
 > > On 2013-10-09 14:09, Holger Parplies wrote:
 > > > Hi,
 > > > 
 > > > vano wrote on 2013-10-09 05:17:53 -0700 [[BackupPC-users]  no rrd 
 > > graphs in version 3.3.0]:
 > > >> Found that after upgrade to version 3.3.0, rrd graphs is missing 
 > > in web interface.
 > > > 
 > > > congratulations.
 > > 
 > > As you may have noticed, Holger doesn't believe the graph is a good 
 > thing.
 > > Thankfully, many of us disagree.
 > 
 > No, I think that was more a comment on the fact that the person's 
 > "question" was actually a sentence, without actually asking for anything. 
 > He was congratulating him on making such a clear statement of fact!  :)
 > 
 > (I felt exactly the same way reading the initial message.  If you can't 
 > actually attempt to figure something out on your own, can't you at *least* 
 > ask a question?!?  God forbid you actually tell us the most basic 
 > information about your system and what you've tried...  But I seem to have 
 > just a hair more self-control than Holger... ;)  )

That's exactly how I read Holger's response... and I thought the same too!

 > > The rrdtool graph is a Debian-specific patch. Did you install 3.3.0 from
 > > the Debian/Ubuntu package? If not, get it from my repo:
 > 
 > I have to say that this drives me nuts.  Why does a downstream provider 
 > bundle these things together as if they were supposed to be together? 
 > Then, when it breaks, BackupPC people are supposed to maintain it?!?
 > 
 > They may be the coolest things on Earth (wouldn't know;  I use CentOS), 
 > but it's not right to mangle the package like that and making it the 
 > default package for the distro...  :(
 > 
 > If it *IS* the coolest thing on Earth, can't we get it upstream for 
 > *everyone*?
 > 
 > Tim Massey

Agreed. As a Fedora user, I too have always felt left in the dark and
somewhat annoyed/frustrated by whole threads that don't apply to the
package I see. By the way I do use rrdgraph for lmsensors and it is a
very cool utility so it may very well be the coolest thing on
earth...

If Craig does not wish to integrate it into the package (and there may
be very good reasons not to, including the creation of unneeded
dependencies or the fact that rrdgraph may or may not be supported on
all platforms), then why doesn't debian package is it as a separate
'extra' package such as 'backuppc-rrdtoo' so that it's status as
something distinct from upstream is clear.

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