Now I'm faced with more difficulties because of this.
Amanda is only dumping at level2 the machine it overwrote the only full
backup of.
How can I force a level 0 dump ?
Cheers,
--
AlanP
On Fri, July 28, 2006 12:14 am, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 27 July 2006 17:08, Alan Pearson wrote:
>>snip
>>
>>> And that has nothing to do with this instant problem. The instant
>>> problem is that you don't have enough tapes in your tapecycle, so you
>>> never have a 2nd or 3rd generation backup. At the price of dds tapes,
>>> thats being rather penny wise and pound foolish. And, having rather
>>> extensive personal experience with dds tapes, my backups got about 100
>>> times more dependable when I bought a big hard drive and changed to
>>> vtapes 2 years ago.
>>
>>That is your situation. Not mine. The price of tapes has nothing to do
>>with it.
>>
> Price, or availability in a timely manner. Its mochs nichts, the end
> result is the same when amanda didn't have sufficient resources to do the
> job.
>
>>> Please don't go around bad-mouthing amanda when the real constraint is
>>> the operating environment, one that would cripple any backup protocol.
>>
>>The constraint is NOT the operating environment, but the behaviour in
>>these conditions.
>>I've heard the more tapes argument, and yes I agree more tapes are
>> necessary.
>
> Yippers.
>
>>The behaviour of Amanda is wrong IMHO, and regardless of how it behaves
>>_today_ , backup software should never knowingly overwrite yourlast valid
>>backup and leave you with none. THAT is the point.
>
> And it should be taken as a valid point, given the context that you got
> bit
> in.
>
>>As for bad - mouthing Amanda, I'll rise to that little dig. Amanda is
>> free software, which I gratefully accept (I also develop free software
>> http://testmaster.sourceforge.net/), and I am reporting a problem, not
>> bad mouthing it. When my users report problems, I take it on board and
>> strive to improve the software, not defend it's behaviour.
>
> We do tend to try and protect the girl a wee bit from the folks who think
> they know more than amanda about how to do a backup, so I'm guilty of
> that.
>
>>If the developers think that it is desired behaviour to overwrite your
>>last valid backup, then fine, I'll either quit using it or attempt to fix
>>it myself, as it doesn't fulfill my needs.
>
> I think it was Jon LaBadie that came up with an acronym for that,
> something
> to do with "patches always welcome", but I don't think it was "PAW".
> Jon? :) More than one patch that extended amanda's abilities has been
> posted to this list over the 7 years I've been lurking.
>
>>But considering the number of other checks that Amanda does to ensure
>> that backups aren't over written, I believe I've identified a corner
>> case that needs to be fixed.
>
> Now thats an interesting phrase, corner case. I've never seen a really
> good definition of that, but it sure is popular.
>
>>Remember, I believe I have found a flaw in the software and didn't expect
>>to be told that it was ME that was in the wrong. Arguments about tapes
>>aside, in this case Amanda did the WRONG thing and left me without a
>> valid backup. Instead it should have screamed and shouted and done the
>> best it could by saving in the holding disk at a minimum, or not running
>> the backup.
>
> I think you meant "ruining" the backup, and in that context, I'm inclined
> to agree, amanda should not overwrite the last good full of any dle.
>
>>I'd rather be with an out of date backup than none at all.
>>
> Agreed.
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene
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