Bacula-users

Re: [Bacula-users] TLS Question

2008-08-18 15:42:19
Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] TLS Question
From: Franky Almonte <falmonte AT onemax DOT com>
To: Dan Langille <dan AT langille DOT org>
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:42:00 -0400
Dan Langille wrote:
> Franky Almonte wrote:
>> Dan Langille wrote:
>>> Franky Almonte wrote:
>>>> Dan Langille wrote:
>>>>> Sergio Gelato wrote:
>>>>>> * Franky Almonte [2008-08-18 07:41:38 -0400]:
>>>>>>> Sergio Gelato wrote:
>>>>>>>> * Franky Almonte [2008-08-17 23:26:51 -0400]:
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Novosielski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> One last question should fix me up -- which counts as a client?
>>>>>>>>>> Just bconsole, or some of the other connections as well?
>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>> Every host running the Bacula FileDaemon (Client).
>>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>> That's not quite my understanding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By definition, the client initiates the connection to the server:
>>>>>>>> 1) bconsole is a client of the director;
>>>>>>>> 2) the director is a client of the FDs and of the SDs;
>>>>>>>> 3) the FDs are clients of the SDs, *but* they don't need a
>>>>>>>> certificate
>>>>>>>> to authenticate themselves: instead, they use the cookie that the
>>>>>>>> director hands them for this purpose. This saves the administrator
>>>>>>>> the trouble of maintaining a list of TLS Allowed CN for all the
>>>>>>>> FDs
>>>>>>>> on every SD (and of creating client certificates for the FDs; they
>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>> need server certificates).
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> Yes, your right about clients. But, now i have a question about
>>>>>>> "Client
>>>>>>> certificates". I don't need to create certificates for clients ? 
>>>>>> What I'm saying is that the FDs only need server certificates (for
>>>>>> securing incoming connections from the director and for
>>>>>> authenticating
>>>>>> themselves to the director). The FDs will only contact the SDs on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> director's instructions, and along with these instructions the
>>>>>> director
>>>>>> will provide a one-time cookie that the FD can present to the SD for
>>>>>> authentication. (The director will have talked to the SD directly,
>>>>>> authenticating to the SD with its client certificate, and conveyed
>>>>>> a copy of that same cookie.) So the SD doesn't check the FD's
>>>>>> certificate in order to authenticate the transaction: it checks the
>>>>>> cookie instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They just use the one from the Director ?
>>>>>> Indirectly; see above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The director needs both a server and a client certificate. (One
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> set the extendedKeyUsage so that the same certificate can be used
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> both purposes, but I prefer to issue two different certificates.)
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> Why the server needs both a server and a client certificate? 
>>>>>> That's not what I said. A server needs a server certificate; a
>>>>>> client
>>>>>> *may* need a client certificate. The director needs both, because it
>>>>>> acts both as a server (accepting bconsole connections) and as a
>>>>>> client (connecting
>>>>>> and authenticating to the FDs and to the SDs). The FDs also act
>>>>>> both as
>>>>>> servers (accepting director connections) and clients (connecting to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> SDs) but they authenticate to the SD through a mechanism that
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> require them to present a client certificate.
>>>>> Are you sure that the Director needs both a client and a server
>>>>> certificate?  My Director has only one. A server certificate.
>>>> I'm also using only one certificate for the Director. The server
>>>> certificate.
>>>>
>>>>> And, FWIW, I use only Server certificates for my TLS.  I use them on
>>>>> the SD, the FD, and the Director.  I do not use Client certificates,
>>>>> AFAIK.
>>>>>
>>>> This is the part i don't understand. How i setup the FD for this?
>>>> Actually i'm using client certificates.
>>> Does this help?
>>>
>>>   http://www.freebsddiary.org/bacula-tls.php
>>>
>>> I documented my setup as I went.  The above is exactly what I did.
>>>
>>>
>> Good article.
>>
>> Then i need to create a certificate for each client?
>
> Yes.
Ok.
>
>> Is what i did. And
>> it's working.
>
> Good.
Thanks.
>
>> Is not explained explicitly in the article.
>
> Feel free to add a comment to the article and explain what was not
> well explained.  :)
Ok.


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