Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup of VM images
2011-06-07 14:11:16
Les Mikesell <lesmikesell AT gmail DOT com> wrote on 06/07/2011
11:42:56 AM:
> On 6/7/2011 9:51 AM, Boniforti Flavio wrote:
> > Hello Jim
> >
> > [cut]
> >
> >> Were I attempting to back up the images I would assume that
> >> the unused areas would be included. My solution to backing
up
> >> my VMs was to install backuppc for each of them and treat
> >> them the same as physical machines on my net. This did lead
> >> to problems backing up Win2K and WinXP VMs, but only those
> >> already fully addressed for physical systems.
> >
> > I understand you are/were working on the same LAN.
> >
> > My trouble begins at the point where there are 15km between the
HQ and
> > the backup location!
>
> That's a problem that a sufficient amount of money can solve, with
> 'sufficient' varying wildly depending on your location and network
> providers. But in any case it is likely to be more efficient
to back
> up the live machines (virtual or otherwise) than their disk images
- and
> that way you also get useful pooling for the storage.
I strongly recommend both: BackupPC to back
up inside of the virtual machines, and some sort of regular (say, monthly
or weekly) snapshot backup of the entire VM image.
Trying to restore a single file from a snapshotted
VM is a *lot* harder than using BackupPC to do it. But using BackupPC
to try to restore a crashed VM is a *lot* harder than using a snapshot
backup (and then using BackupPC to make sure the files are up to date).
> One other point that I'm not sure anyone mentioned
yet is that the rsync
> comparison is normally against the previous full run, so it will be
> important to either do only fulls or set incremental levels to make
each
> run backed by the previous so the differences don't accumulate over
time.
I'm not sure that really matters. The bandwidth
usage will be similar to the difference between incrementals and fulls
in a traditional BackupPC setup (i.e. you already have those same bandwidth
issues: the VM's aren't going to make it worse). The biggest
problem is that *every* backup is going to have to read 100% of the data
every time. In other words, there really is no such thing as an incremental:
an incremental and a full will read the same amount of data on both
ends.
You could certainly use BackupPC for backing up VM's:
it's just a matter of scale. But having an aged series of snapshot
backups makes *very* little sense. You will *NOT* want to use your
snapshot backups to try to pull back old files. You really just want
a handful of very recent copies (in case one is bad or you make some sort
of catastrophic change you want to back out). Your aged series of
backups should be done at the file level (inside of the VM), and that's
100% a standard BackupPC solution.
Timothy J. Massey
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- Re: [BackupPC-users] Backup of VM images, (continued)
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