Del,
Glad to here there should be no issue in upgrading the clients to 7.1.8 or
8.1.2 before the servers are upgraded.
So, what can I expect when I upgrade the servers to 7.1.8 / 8.1.2/4 as for
the certificates? I realize I have to run the utility to convert the
server cert.kdb file to cert256.arm (eventhough I have never used SSL on
any of my TSM servers, the file exists and I had this problem on my test
server when I upgraded it to 8.1.3).
Will the clients that upgraded to >=7.1.8 properly/automatically exchange
the required certs once the client realizes it is talking to a server with
the right "language" or will that be a manual thing? As most folks, I plan
to keep SESSIONSECURITY TRANSITIONAL as long as possible, easing into it as
gradually as possible.....
But if upgrading to >=7.1.8 is going to require manual updates to get the
certs right, I would rather hold off. Right now it is manageable.....
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Del Hoobler <hoobler AT us.ibm DOT com> wrote:
> Hi Zoltan,
>
> It's fine to upgrade the clients first... you won't see warnings because
> the clients know they are talking to a back-level server and will speak
> the right "language". The best practice is to upgrade the servers first so
> all the certificates are there and it will make sure the security issues
> are addressed, but it is not required.
>
> We understand the gap with regards to the web interface. We are evaluating
> possible ways forward for that.
>
>
> Del
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU> wrote on 01/04/2018
> 09:16:25 AM:
>
> > From: Zoltan Forray <zforray AT VCU DOT EDU>
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Date: 01/04/2018 09:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end only)
> > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
> >
> > Del,
> >
> > Thanks for the info. Some of it is useful and I have seen most of it.
> >
> > I have a question about the reverse i.e. clients who have upgraded to
> > 8.1.2+ and 7.1.8. There was this dire warning in the 8.1.2 upgrade
> docs
> > about upgrading your servers before installing 8.1.2 clients or your
> > backups would fail. I downloaded all of the latest clients and
> eventhough
> > I sent an email to my co-workers about *NOT* using 8.1.2/7.1.8, some
> > ignored me and installed 8.1.2 (and then 7.1.8) with no issues I am
> aware
> > of (remember all of my servers are RHEL 7.1.7.300).
> >
> > At what point do these dire warnings kick-in? Is it safe to deploy
> 7.1.8 /
> > 8.1.2 (holding off on 8.1.4) throughout my complex without fears of
> > mass-destruction?
> >
> > Plus the issue of the "BA web interface" going away (if I understand
> this
> > correctly) is a major problem for us. Unless of course I am completely
> > misunderstanding and it is only the web Administrator interface (which
> we
> > don't use).
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Del Hoobler <hoobler AT us.ibm DOT com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Here are a few links that might help:
> > >
> > > https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSEQVQ_8.1.
> > > 2/srv.install/r_srv_knowsec-aix.html
> > >
> > > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg22004844
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Del
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU> wrote on
> > > 01/04/2018
> > > 03:37:53 AM:
> > >
> > > > From: "Loon, Eric van (ITOPT3) - KLM" <Eric-van.Loon AT KLM DOT COM>
> > > > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > > > Date: 01/04/2018 03:40 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end
> only)
> > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
> > > >
> > > > I too read all the previous posts, but I still don't know what to
> > > > do. Your mail also indicates that your upgrade planning is based on
> > > > several assumptions and I think it is really time for IBM to jump in
> > > > here. I think someone from development should explain a little bit
> > > > about the new security design and tell us how we should upgrade
> > > > without impact. Which components in which order to which recommended
> > > level.
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Eric van Loon
> > > > Air France/KLM Storage Engineering
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On
> > > > Behalf Of Deschner, Roger Douglas
> > > > Sent: donderdag 4 januari 2018 0:14
> > > > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > > > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end
> only)
> > > >
> > > > Test! Test! Test! Search this forum for previous posts about this.
> > > > There are a bunch of gotchas. Perhaps one of the most severe is what
> > > > happens to administrator IDS. Create some dummy admin IDS to use in
> > > > testing, because you can permanently disable your own admin ID if
> > > > you're not careful. We also know there will be library sharing
> gotchas.
> > > >
> > > > We're actually going to do the backup servers first - after thorough
> > > > testing. We think we can minimize the risk to things like admin IDS
> > > > if we upgrade the servers with NO clients yet on 7.1.8. I think that
> > > > having 7.1.8 clients around will greatly complicate the process of
> > > > upgrading the servers, especially if any of those 7.1.8 clients are
> > > > the desktop workstations used by you and your coworkers. It's
> > > > possible that when you do eventually upgrade your servers to 7.1.8,
> > > > you'll have to backtrack to each client and manually install new SSL
> > > > keys, on all client systems, all at once. I hope that cat-herding
> > > > nightmare can be avoided by upgrading servers first, which will then
> > > > manage key distribution among clients more gracefully, as they
> > > > upgrade to 7.1.8 one at a time. If I'm wrong about any of this,
> > > > please chime in.
> > > >
> > > > This thing has a big effect. Careful testing is necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Roger Deschner
> > > > University of Illinois at Chicago
> > > > "I have not lost my mind - it is backed up on tape somewhere."
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > From: Skylar Thompson <skylar2 AT U.WASHINGTON DOT EDU>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 16:19
> > > > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end
> only)
> > > >
> > > > Content preview: I believe the incompatibility arises if you set
> > > > SESSIONSECURITY
> > > > to STRICT for your nodes. The default is TRANSITIONAL so you
> > > > should be fine;
> > > > IIRC the only communication problems we had when upgrading our
> > > servers to
> > > > v7.1.8 was with library sharing. [...]
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> > > > I believe the incompatibility arises if you set SESSIONSECURITY to
> > > > STRICT for your nodes. The default is TRANSITIONAL so you should be
> > > > fine; IIRC the only communication problems we had when upgrading our
> > > > servers to v7.1.8 was with library sharing.
> > > >
> > > > That said, v7.1.8 was a huge change so I would test it if possible
> > > first.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:12:44PM -0500, Tom Alverson wrote:
> > > > > Thanks for that link, I am more worried about any "gotcha's"
> caused by
> > >
> > > > > upgrading the client to 7.1.8 or 8.1.2 before the storage servers
> get
> > > > > upgraded (and start using the new authentication). What I had
> not
> > > > > realized until I saw the chart is that the new clients are NOT
> > > > > backward compatible with old storage servers (which doesn't really
> > > > > affect me since we have those all at 7.1.7.2 now).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *IBM SPECTRUM PROTECT CLIENT SUPPORT*
> > > > >
> > > > > includes the Backup-Archive, API, UNIX HSM, and Web clients that
> are
> > > > > compatible with, and currently supported with, IBM Spectrum
> Protect
> > > > > Servers and Storage Agents.
> > > > > *IBM Spectrum Protect*
> > > > > *Client Version*
> > > > > *Supported IBM Spectrum Protect*
> > > > > *Server and Storage Agent Versions*
> > > > > 8.1.2
> > > > > 8.1, 7.1
> > > > > 8.1.0
> > > > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1
> > > > > 7.1.8
> > > > > 8.1, 7.1
> > > > > 7.1
> > > > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1
> > > > > 6.4 1
> > > > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1
> > > > > 6.3 1, 2
> > > > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1
> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Skylar Thompson
> > > > > <skylar2 AT u.washington DOT edu>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > There's pretty wide version compatibility between clients and
> > > > > > servers; we didn't go v7 server-side until pretty recently but
> have
> > > > > > been running the v7 client for a while. IBM has a matrix
> published
> > > here:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21053218
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For basic backups and restores I think you can deviate even
> more,
> > > > > > but obviously you won't get support.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 03:14:24PM -0500, Tom Alverson wrote:
> > > > > > > Our TSM storage servers were all upgraded last year to 7.1.7.2
> > > > > > > (before
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > new security update came out). Now I am wondering if I
> should
> > > start
> > > > > > using
> > > > > > > the updated client or not? If the servers stay at 7.1.7.2
> for
> > > now is
> > > > > > > there any harm in using the newer client? I would have to use
> > > > > > > 7.1.8.0 on anything older than 2012. I saw some email traffic
> > > > > > > earlier that once you use the new authentication mode on a
> node
> > > > > > > you can't go back? But it
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > that would not be possible until our storage servers get
> upgraded.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is there any downside in my case (where the storage servers
> are
> > > > > > > still at
> > > > > > > 7.1.7.2) of using the latest client versions in the interim??
> Our
> > > > > > current
> > > > > > > standard client versions now are 7.1.6.4 for 2008 and older,
> and
> > > > > > > 8.1.0.0 (yes the horrible buggy one) on newer servers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
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