Andy,

On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 10:31:59AM -0700, Andrew Raibeck wrote:
> You can install ISC/Admin center once on a single machine, and access
> remotely via your web browser.

Ok that helps. But you still have a big resource requirement to just
being able to manage TSM with a graphical interface.

> Also see my earlier post on this thread for where to find additional info.

I read that post, but did not have time read all of it...

One other thing I can think of is extra work for disaster recovery
to a remote site. Now instead of installing 'just' a TSM
server to get things going I need to install an ISC application
somewhere to get a GUI management interface. And concluding from a
the response that may take quite some extra time (and hardware).

I can understand IBM is looking for a good solution to manage
several products using a single interface. But I think a gradual
move would be much better: start supporting ISC but still keep
the webinterface for some time. I would prefer learning and using
the new TSM 5.3 features first and later on get used to a new
management interface.

-Marcel
>
> Regards,
>
> Andy
>
> Andy Raibeck
> IBM Software Group
> Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
> Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
> Internet e-mail: storman AT us.ibm DOT com
>
> The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
> The command line is your friend.
> "Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.
>
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU> wrote on 01/07/2005
> 10:21:58:
>
> > After a coworker managed to setup ISC and AC (Afre several attempts)
> > I had a quick look at the interface. I agree with the complaints from
> > others. Even better, I think an extra hardware requirement should be
> > added: at least an 21in screen is needed as the ISC contains so many
> > tabs icons and subwindows there is hardly any room left for the actual
> > information you are interested in...
> > I vote for a normal web interface besides of coarse the command line
> > tool (when will IBM fix dsmadc to use terminal settings defined by
> > the host, like the unix erase key)!
> > The big advantage of the webadmin is that I can manage TSM from any
> > system/workstation (I guess most have a web browser these days).
> > I hope IBM does not expect me to install ISC/AC on all of these
> > workstations...
> >
> > -Marcel
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 01:45:23PM +0100, Loon, E.J. van - SPLXM wrote:
> > > Hi Guys!
> > > I have been beta testing 5.3 for IBM and I too have tried convincing
> IBM
> > > that they are definitely not on the right track with the Admin Center.
> > > I haven't received a response from them on my comments, so I'm afraid
> they
> > > will ignore our objections...
> > > Especially resellers should be worried. You will never be able to
> convince
> > > small customers that one has to invest in a Windows workstation with a
> high
> > > performance processor and at least 1 Gb. (!!!!) of memory, just to run
> an
> > > administrative interface!!
> > > So my plea to IBM too: Please give us back the WebAdmin!!!!!
> > > Kindest regards,
> > > Eric van Loon
> > > KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard van Denzel [mailto:RvanDenzel AT SLTN DOT NL]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 13:10
> > > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > > Subject: Re: ISC on WinXP or Unix
> > >
> > >
> > > Adrie,
> > >
> > > I totally agree with you. I've also test installed it (or at least I
> > > tried) it on WXP, Linux (FC3) and AIX 5.2. The only installing which
> > > succeeded was the AIX (it only took 3 hours to install the ISC and
> AC).
> > > It is also very annoying to have a /tmp of 750MB+, just for the sake
> of
> > > the installation.
> > >
> > > Lets hope IBM brings back the Webinterface asap, because I did not see
> > > advantages of the ISC yet.
> > > When I test created a diskpool volume of 5GB on my Linux TSM 5.3
> server it
> > > failed at almost 5GB with no apperent reason. When I did it manually
> (long
> > > live dsmadmc) it went just fine.
> > >
> > > Richard.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Adrie van Tuyl <vantuyl AT XS4ALL DOT NL>
> > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
> > > 07-01-2005 12:05
> > > Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"
> > >
> > >         To:     ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > >         cc:
> > >         Subject:        Re: ISC on WinXP or Unix
> > >
> > >
> > > At 20:24 1/6/2005, you wrote:
> > > >On Thursday 06 January 2005 13:14, Warren, Matthew (Retail) wrote:
> > > > > ..I'm glad to hear. I use a suite of python scripts that ive put
> > > > > together / migrated from other shells over the last 5 years or
> more. I
> > > > > would be frustrated  if dsmadmc dissappeared...
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this a possibility for future release?
> > > >I don't know and I hope not.  I think 99.9% of the TSM customers use
> > > dsmadmc
> > > >in some sort of scripting language to automate/monitor TSM.  I don't
> > > think
> > > >IBM can risk to loose 99.9% of it's TSM customers.
> > > >
> > > >Stef
> > >
> > > This seems they do not care.
> > > Probably 90 % or more (maybe even 99.9%) of the customers did use the
> > > Webinterface of the TSM server.
> > > Many of the customers (>80%?) do not have an ISC.
> > > So these customers are forced into setting up an ISC, preferably on
> other
> > > hardware than on the TSM server because of the resource utilization of
> the
> > > ISC. IMHO this does not make any sence at all.
> > >
> > > I tried to set up an ISC in a test environment. I tried a PII 400 with
> 384
> > > MB. On this machine TSM 5.2.3.5 works perfectly for testing purposes.
> > > I did not manage to install the ISC with the TSM admin (after an 8
> hours
> > > of
> > > trying), and for now I don't want to put any effort in it because I
> don't
> > > have the equipment nor the time.
> > >
> > > For the people who managed to get ISC working; is it worth it? Is the
> TSM
> > > admin dramatically improved? Have all the wishes which we see come by
> in
> > > this group come true?
> > >
> > > I sincerely hope we get our webinterface back.
> > >
> > > Adrie
> > >
> > >
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