Your point of view is absolutely correct.

But....we all know that users don't do what they are told.  And that $$$
million dollar spreadsheet is stored on someone's pc, not the network
server.

In a perfect world, I would take the same stance on desktop backups.

But since I don't work there, I have to present options to eliminate the
risks in my world.  At least that's what my superiors think.

Any one from IBM/Tivoli have anything to say.... in know you're
watching...:-)



Anthony A. Jones
316-828-2432
Business Continuity & Data Storage Management
Koch Industries, Inc.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dirk Billerbeck [SMTP:dirk.billerbeck AT GECITS-EU DOT COM]
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 10:29 AM
> To:   ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject:      Re: Win95/NT Desktop Backups
>
> Hello Anthony,
>
> consider that:
>
> Why should anybody backup data that is stored on a desktop machine? None
> of
> our customers that I know allows its employees to save files on the local
> disk (only on their own risk...). Just the servers are backed up.
> Everything else causes too much trouble (BECAUSE of the ever changing
> desktop) and an automatic backup of such a machine wouldn't work for a
> long
> time. And if the end-user would have to take care of the backup of his
> system how reliable would that be done???
>
> So I don't see the need for a "better" win95 (as pure desktop OS) b/a
> client. And for NT there is the new Tivoli Data Protection for Workgroups
> product ( http://www.tivoli.com/storage/adsm/tsmdpw.htm ).
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> CU/2,
>                 Dirk Billerbeck
>
>
> Dirk Billerbeck
> CompuNet Kiel
> Network and Systems Management
> Am Jaegersberg 20, 24161 Altenholz (Kiel), Germany
> Phone: ++49-431/3609-117, Fax: ++49-431/3609-190,
> Internet: dirk.billerbeck @ gecits-eu.com
>
>
>
>
> Jones4A AT KOCHIND DOT COM on 09.07.99 15:00:26
>
> Please respond to ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>
> To:     mailbox.dekelnsm
> cc:
> Subject:  Win95/NT Desktop Backups
>
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> Any one seen the Connected On line backup product?  It blows the ADSM b=
> /a
> client out of the of water.
> We are testing the product as well on the desktop.  It has all the bell=
> s
> and
> whistles needed to backup the ever changing desktop environment.  Autom=
> atic
> notifications, backups on 95 without the client being logged in, block
> level
> backups, etc.......
> Tivoli is "supposed" to have a client coming in Sept. to do the same.  =
> But
> as usual they haven't go their story straight.
> Tivoli what is up?
> I just want to know if it is worth the headaches of putting ADSM on the=
>
> desktop... It's not looking favorable so far
> Anthony A. Jones
> 316-828-2432
> Business Continuity & Data Storage Management
> Koch Industries, Inc.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Boireau, Eric (MED) [SMTP:BOIREER AT EUROMSX.GEMSE DOT FR]
> > Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 8:53 AM
> > To:   ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Subject:      Re: Win95/NT Desktop Backups
> >
> > Hello,
> > I would like to know:  on which kind of box your are running ADSM ?
> > We use ADSM NT 3.1.1.2, on HP LxPro 2xPPro 200, 256 MB RAM. It seems =
> to
> be
> > too small (80% CPU Load).
> > Thanks for your config description.
> >
> > > Salutations / Best Regards
> > > g          GE Medical Systems
> > > __________________________________
> > > Eric Boireau                                                   GS
> > > Internet / Intranet Team
> > >
> > > GE Medical Systems S.A
> > > 283, rue de la Mini=E8re
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> > > Fax: (33) 1 30 70 42 30, DC: 8*644 4230
> > > mailto:Eric.Boireau AT med.ge DOT com
> > >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Yager, Andrea [mailto:Andrea.Yager AT LIBERTYMUTUAL DOT COM]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:38 PM
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Subject: Re: Win95/NT Desktop Backups
> >
> >
> > On a similar note...
> > Another problem is to keep track of people swapping machines/using ea=
> ch
> > others machines.
> >
> > If you use the user's name as the Nodename and don't update it each t=
> ime
> a
> > new user uses it you may not be able to perform a restore after a har=
> d
> > drive
> > crash unless you know the Nodename...  We back up 26,000 desktop user=
> s
> > (mostly Win95) across the country with 10 NT backup servers, so you c=
> an
> > imagine it's not easy to find a Node if you don't know the exact name=
> ...
> >
> > Any additional questions, I'd be happy to answer them for you.
> >
> > ~Andrea H. Yager
> > Enterprise Storage Management/ADSM
> > (603)431-8400 ext. 55421
> > SDN# 8-435-5421
> > Pager# 1-800-759-6519
> >
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From:   Bill Colwell [SMTP:bcolwell AT DRAPER DOT COM]
> >         Sent:   Thursday, July 08, 1999 1:27 PM
> >         To:     ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> >         Subject:        Re: Win95/NT Desktop Backups
> >
> >         I backup 1,200+ desktops, nt, 95/8, many unix flavors & Macs.=
>
> >
> >         The biggest problem I have is keeping track of people who lea=
> ve
> > the
> >         company.  What should be done with their backups?  The adsm n=
> ode
> >         contact string has an e-mail address and othe data in it.
> > Sometimes
> >         the node is still backing up after the person has left, so if=
>  I
> > try
> > to send
> >         e-mail about a problem, the e-mail bounces.
> >
> >         Check with your HR department to get them to notify you of
> > departures.
> >         See if you can get HR to have the manager of the departing
> > employee
> >         work with you to dispose or transfer the original data then t=
> he
> > backups.
> >
> >         --
> >         --------------------------
> >         Bill Colwell
> >         C. S. Draper Lab
> >         Cambridge, Ma.
> >         bcolwell AT draper DOT com
> >         --------------------------
> >
> >         In
> > <8FE5933BB8DBD111803F00805F9F74BD02BFB139 AT ictmail10.kochind DOT com>,
> > on 07/08/99
> >            at 11:02 AM, "Jones, Anthony" <Jones4A AT KOCHIND DOT COM> said:
> >
> >         >Hello ADSM Guru's,
> >
> >         >We are currently not backing up our desktops to TSM (a.k.a.
> > ADSM),
> > but would
> >         >like to in the very near future.  The client base would be a=
> bout
> > 3000 to
> >         >4000 desktops.
> >
> >         >What are some of the standards used in the desktop backup ar=
> ena?
> > (i.e.
> >         >VerExist, VerDeleted...)
> >         >Pros & cons of the 95/NT client on the desktop?
> >
> >         >What are some of the nightmare's that you have run into with=
>
> > large
> > client
> >         >bases?
> >
> >         >Thanks in advance.
> >         >Anthony A. Jones
> >         >316-828-2432
> >         >Business Continuity & Data Storage Management
> >         >Koch Industries, Inc.
>
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