Hi Joe,
Thanks for your response.
You are right, the way the TSM server counts licenses has nothing to do with
what you are required to buy. In TSM V2 and V3 it did, but in V4 and V5
they changed the buying requirements, but didn't much change the server
code.
I understand your frustration with not getting a straight answer on
licensing. Last year when we tried to renew our maintenance agreeement, we
got 3 different quotes from 3 different people; lowest was 10K, highest was
30K, middle (the correct one) was 18K.
I work with an IBM Business partner, we sat down and STUDIED the doc
available on the Tivoli Business partner site. The doc explaining what you
have to buy is there, but many BP's don't bother to read it or don't
understand it; MANY give you incorrect quotes because they don't understand
that workstations and servers are licensed differently (and many of their
customers back up only servers, so I suspect the question never comes up).
Here is the actual deal for what you are required to buy:
There are 2 TSM server products: TSM V5 and TSM V5 Extended Edition. They
have different product numbers.
If you do NOT need DRM, HSM, or Server to Server, and your tape library has
at most 40 slots, you qualify for TSM V5; if not you must buy Extended
Edition.
There is NO charge for a TSM server; you can run as many as you like. You
are charged based on the number of machines you back up. The charge is
higher per client under TSM V5 EE than TSM V5. The TSM server counts as a
server being backed up.
A CLIENT/WORKSTATION is a computer that provides NO SERVICES to another
computer. If you have a big machine with 4 processors that is used by an
engineer to do CAD drawings and DOESN"T PROVIDE SERVICES to other machines
on your network, that is a WORKSTATION.
If you have a very tiny old machine with 1 processor that is used as a
firewall or print server, that machine is providing services to other
machines, so it counts as a SERVER.
You count the number of CLIENT/WORKSTATIONs you have; each one needs 1
CLIENT/WORKSTATION license.
For your SERVER machines, you count the number of physical processors in all
the machines to get the number of SERVER/PROCESSOR licenses you need.
SO if you have, say, 2 stand-alone graphics boxes and 5 desktop PC's to back
up, you would need 7 CLIENT/WORKSTATION licenses. The number of processors
in those machines is irrelevant.
If you have 5 servers with 4 processors and 3 servers with 2 processors that
you back up, you would need to buy 26 SERVER/PROCESSOR licenses. (5*4 +
3*2).
SERVER/PROCESSOR licenses cost more than CLIENT/WORKSTATION licenses; so
IT'S IMPORTANT to get your count correctly. Many VARS will ask you "how
many processors do you have, it's licensed by processor...", but that AIN'T
SO for workstations. If you are backing up any workstaions, MAKE SURE your
VAR's bid breaks out those two numbers, or you'll be charged too much.
If you have more than 1 TSM node name registered for one of your servers,
that doesn't matter. You don't have to buy more licenses.
The TDP's have their OWN product numbers. They are also licensed by the
number of processors in the machines where the TDP is installed. Each
machine must ALSO be counted in your SERVER/PROCESSOR count for the basic
TSM client, because you have to install the basic client along with the TDP
(to get the API code).
That's it, in terms of paying for client licenses.
And that has nothing to do with the number of client licenses you register
with the REGISTER LICENSE command. You register one MGSYSLAN license for
each node name you will have defined to TSM.
And as you see from prevous discussions, in V4 IBM stated clearly that you
were not required to have licenses for machines that had not backed up in
over 30 days. For V5, nobody seems to be sure what the cutoff date is...
Hope that was some help.
Wanda Prather
"I/O, I/O, It's all about I/O" -(me)
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Crnjanski [mailto:JCrnjanski AT infinitynetwork DOT com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:18 PM
To: Wanda.Prather AT JHUAPL DOT EDU
Subject: RE: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Hi Wanda,
I was always confused with whole licensing business. Nobody can give you
straight answer what is server and what is workstation. Even when you talk
to passport advantage you can get different answer which license you need to
buy.
On the top of that I don't understand how TSM counting licenses. In my case
it is different from number of registered nodes and it is different from
number of filespaces.
I ran your query and my oldest client on the list is from March/31/2003. So
maybe you are right. This is about year old. This is one more variable in
whole licensing stuff. Now is even more confusing.
My server: tsm on windows 5.1.8.2
Joe Crnjanski
Infinity Network Solutions Inc.
Phone: 416-235-0931 x26
Fax: 416-235-0265
Web: www.infinitynetwork.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Prather, Wanda [mailto:Wanda.Prather AT JHUAPL DOT EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:50 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Sorry to bring this up again, but...
I KNOW that in TSM 4.1, the server behavior was to stop counting the
licenses after 30 days of non-use. It was documented in the server README
(I think that's where it was), and I verified it on our running systems.
I have not seen it documented anywhere for 5.1 or 5.2; has anyone?
I sat down and checked mine; I checked the data in the license_details
table against the output of q license, and it APPEARS that my license
manager (TSM 5.1.6.2) is counting all the clients that have connected in
approx. the last YEAR. But it's hard for me to be sure since this server
isn't much older than that.
Could some of you please check yours and let me know? (also what server
version you have)
select license_name,node_name, date(last_used) from license_details order by
3
Thanks
Wanda Prather
-----Original Message-----
From: PAC Brion Arnaud [mailto:Arnaud.Brion AT PANALPINA DOT COM]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 11:04 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
Nancy,
Sorry to tell you that, but I'm facing the same problem as you, with
nodes being inactive since much more than 30 days, and still using
licenses. I already questioned the list without success :-(
Arnaud Brion
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-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Nancy Reeves
Sent: Tuesday, 09 March, 2004 16:50
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: TSM license audit not equal number of nodes
So, are you saying that if I had no new node related activity in 30
days, that these 2 numbers would eventually match and be accurate?
That is quite a wrinkle!
Nancy Reeves
Technical Support, Wichita State University
Nancy.Reeves AT wichita DOT edu 316-978-3860
"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU> wrote on 03/09/2004
09:44:48 AM:
> >I ran the AUDIT LICENSE command first, then I ran the QUERY LICENSE
> >command (and got the 108). I ran QUERY NODES and got 78.
> ...
>
> I believe that a wrinkle in this is the TSM behavior of maintaining a
> count of license use attempts, regardless of validity. Query License
> will reflect a count, which may be artificially high. Supposedly,
> invalid entries in the count will age out after 30 days.
>
> Richard Sims
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