I go along with this. What is really needed is a process that works for all
vendors that matches the IBM MKSYSB 'clone' process. For those of you not
familiar, it works like this:

1) Boot from vender install CD
2) Start system recovery
3) Select "Install from a system backup" as the desired recovery.

AIX is pulled in from the tape, additional device drivers as neede get
pulled in from the CD, and the end result is a bootable system disk that
matches the backup with (possibly) some additional device drivers.

Tom Kauffman
NIBCO, Inc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seay, Paul [mailto:seay_pd AT NAPTHEON DOT COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:46 PM
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: BareMetalRestore
>
>
> The issue is actually more complex for IBM/Tivoli.  They
> typically do not
> implement solutions that have potential integrity issues and they are
> targeted toward enterprise recoveries in case of a disaster.
>
> Unfortunately, none of the Disaster Recovery providers
> recommend BMR because
> of HAL issues in the windows world and it being much easier
> to guarantee a
> successful recovery for UNIX systems by restoring to an
> alternate drive and
> booting.  What the DR providers do like is the mksysb of AIX.
>  That is a
> great tool.
>
> Tivoli does recognize the fact that customers must have a bare metal
> recovery to identical hardware for windows.  I do not know
> when, but they
> will eventually have a solution for this.  I believe this is
> the convenience
> case.
>
> If you are a business partner, you should be making the
> business lost case
> to Tivoli because of the missing BMR capability.  I encourage
> all business
> partners to make that plea with supporting documentation to Tivoli.
>
> Paul D. Seay, Jr.
> Technical Specialist
> Naptheon Inc.
> 757-688-8180
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mephi AT IBN.COM DOT TW [mailto:mephi AT IBN.COM DOT TW]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:16 PM
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: BareMetalRestore
>
>
> There is a problem: all other software, like Brightstor and Netbackup
> support this function. Since the windows users are getting
> more, we cannot
> ignore the requests from them. I lose about 4 case which
> Brightstor and
> Netbackup take these case because of the lack of this
> function. TSM is a
> very good solution, but is still not a complet solution.
> People do not think
> about the disaster and disaster recovery, they just think of
> convinient,
> especially they spend lots of money to build a solution.
>
> Mephi Liu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Seay, Paul [mailto:seay_pd AT NAPTHEON DOT COM]
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:07 AM
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: BareMetalRestore
>
>
> IBM is the only company that provides this capability for its
> operating
> systems.  Standalone restore on the mainframe, mksysb on AIX.
>  These are
> included free with the OS.  This is a OS vendor issue.  They
> simply do not
> recognize the benefits of the capability and are not focused
> on SAR because
> they do not see it as a problem.
>
> The place that Tivoli needs to step in is make things like
> mksysb integrated
> as a special backup capability that and manage the associated
> media and
> provide a boot strap wrapper to invoke the native system's
> capability if the
> are ever created.
>
> Paul D. Seay, Jr.
> Technical Specialist
> Naptheon Inc.
> 757-688-8180
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gill, Geoffrey L. [mailto:GEOFFREY.L.GILL AT SAIC DOT COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:08 PM
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: BareMetalRestore
>
>
> There has been a lot of discussion on bare metal restore with
> TSM and other
> products. It seems we're all held hostage to purchase
> expensive products
> that have this capability. Unfortunately in times like this
> we've all had
> our budgets cut, at least I have, and would like our software vendors,
> IBM/TIVOLI in this case, to make their products more robust.
> After all we do
> send them maintenance money for software updates and expect
> the product to
> get better.
>
> I'm just wondering how serious IBM is about getting TSM to
> "WORK" with the
> various OS software vendors, i.e. Microsoft, HP, Compaq, Sun
> and the like,
> to find out what it takes to get it's product to do bare
> metal restores. If
> TKG could make it work why can't IBM? Or don't these guys talk to each
> other?
>
> My little rant for the day!!!!!
> Geoff Gill
> TSM Administrator
> NT Systems Support Engineer
> SAIC
> E-Mail:    <mailto:gillg AT saic DOT com> gillg AT saic DOT com
> Phone:  (858) 826-4062
> Pager:   (877) 905-7154
>