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Hi all,
Well I'm a Stk's guy so, maybe what I will say isn't very objective but =
...
First of all, I will very surprise if Steve could test 9940B because =
it's
ready only now, I think you test 9940A.
You right about difference between 9940A (60Gb uncompressed) vs LTO
(generation 1: 100 Gb uncompressed) as near as make no difference =
(except
Head Life,access time,load time ... )
9940A have 1 Gb FC interface, only IBM LTO have one.
But if you compare LTO vs 9940B, there is some difference :
9940B 200Gb uncompressed,30 Mb/s (uncompressed),2 Gb FC, FICON
LTO (Gen 1) 100 Gb uncompressed,16 Mb/s (uncompressed),Scsi LVD (no =
HVD), FC
1Gb (Ibm only)
LTO (Gen 2) 200 Gb uncompressed,30 Mb/s (uncompressed),Scsi, FC (no
precision for now)
As you see, LTO Generation 2 will be more close to 9940B, and the price =
too.
I work with all of this drive (except LTO Gen2 :) ), and 9940B is =
really a
very good drive with fabulous performance (but more expensive).
Hth
Fabrice
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Steve Curry [mailto:scurry AT yahoo-inc DOT com]
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 11 d=E9cembre 2002 09:49
=C0 : Winkeler, Paul; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Objet : RE: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO Ultrium
This isn't voodoo magic though... I'll bet a widget that the database =
has a
lot of compressible table space. We see the simular results using =
AIT2/3,
DTF2 and LTO media. Databases are highly compressible when there's a =
lot of
empty table space, it freaks you out at first. ;) I personally think =
9940's
are a waste of money, I tested LTO and 9940 drives side by side for 6 =
months
and chose LTO... why? because they did dang near the same thing and =
were
both just as reliable as the other but the LTO drives cost *MUCH* less. =
:)
It's interesting to read through all the responses of this thread, =
kudos to
whomever started it.
Paul, I'm curious what model of emulex HBA's you're using? I'm running =
them
here and we have nothing but great performance out of them.
Steve Curry
Yahoo! Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu]On Behalf Of Winkeler,
Paul
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:17 PM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO Ultrium
OfficeMax is in the midst of converting over to STK's T9940B drives,
connecting them via 2Gbit Fiber Channel through EMC (read McData) edge
switches to a pair of Sun E6500 media servers. Although we are still
struggling with the Emulex HBA's performing at much less than expected
throughput we have already observed these T9940B drives running at =
speeds
over 45Mbytes/sec. In addition, the 3.3TByte production SAP database =
now
takes up 4 (yes, you are reading that correctly, four!) T9940 =
cartridges.
That is to say, we have data cartridges with more than 1 Terrabyte of =
data
on them!
Of course these T9940B drives do not come cheaply :-)
PaulW
---
Paul Winkeler, IT Consultant
216-471-3795
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Ritschel [mailto:dritschel62 AT yahoo DOT com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 4:40 PM
To: Caddell, Scott; Scott Jacobson; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu;
jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com; rob AT worman DOT org
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO Ultrium
What about the Storagetek 9940B drives? Does anyone
have any experience with them?
--- "Caddell, Scott" <dcaddell AT intersil DOT com> wrote:
> There were issues early on with the firmware of the
> SDLT 220, but starting with Firmware rev 35, SDLT
> has been great.
>
> [Caddell, Scott]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Jacobson [mailto:SJACOBSO AT novell DOT com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:25 PM
> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu;
> jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com; rob AT worman DOT org;
> dritschel62 AT yahoo DOT com
> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO Ultrium
>
>
>
> Yes please tell more, we are about to evaluate the
> M2500 with SDLT 320's - anyone seen any problems?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott J.
>
>
> >>> "Kennedy, Jeffrey" <jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com>
> 12/10/02 11:32AM >>>
> I would be very interested to hear what problems
> you're referring to. I
> was using SDLT 220 models and had no issues with at
> all. Minus the
> occasional NBU problem of course.
>
> In my current position the operations group just
> bought 20 SDLT 320's
> (or is it 330's?) and they love them. There are 45
> more on order. So
> far they've had no problems.
>
> Can you give specifics? I'm sure I'm not the only
> one interested.
>
> ~JK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Worman [ mailto:rob AT worman DOT org]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:12 AM
> To: Douglas Ritschel; veritas-ng
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO Ultrium
>
> doug you didn't hear it from me, but if you're at a
> decision point
> right now, choose LTO's.
>
> there have been, and continue to be, really really
> unpleasant
> problems with even the latest versions of the SDLT
> firmware from
> quantum.
>
> for that reason alone, LTO's are the winner of SDLT
> in my opinion.
> feel free to share this with the list, but leave my
> name out of it
> please.
>
> HTH
> rob
>
>
> At 7:30 AM -0800 12/10/02, Douglas Ritschel wrote:
> >What are the advantages and disadvantages of
> getting
> >LTO Ultrium drives rather than SDLT drives?
> >
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hi all,</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Well I'm a Stk's guy so, maybe what I will say isn't =
very objective but ...</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>First of all, I will very surprise if Steve could =
test 9940B because it's ready only now, I think you test 9940A.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You right about difference between 9940A (60Gb =
uncompressed) vs LTO (generation 1: 100 Gb uncompressed) as near as =
make no difference (except Head Life,access time,load time ... =
)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>9940A have 1 Gb FC interface, only IBM LTO have =
one.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>But if you compare LTO vs 9940B, there is some =
difference :</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>9940B 200Gb uncompressed,30 Mb/s (uncompressed),2 Gb =
FC, FICON</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>LTO (Gen 1) 100 Gb uncompressed,16 Mb/s =
(uncompressed),Scsi LVD (no HVD), FC 1Gb (Ibm only)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>LTO (Gen 2) 200 Gb uncompressed,30 Mb/s =
(uncompressed),Scsi, FC (no precision for now)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>As you see, LTO Generation 2 will be more close to =
9940B, and the price too.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I work with all of this drive (except LTO Gen2 :) ), =
and 9940B is really a very good drive with fabulous performance (but =
more expensive).</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hth</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fabrice</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Message d'origine-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>De : Steve Curry [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:scurry AT yahoo-inc DOT com">mailto:scurry AT yahoo-inc DOT
com</A>]</F=
ONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Envoy=E9 : mercredi 11 d=E9cembre 2002 09:49</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>=C0 : Winkeler, Paul; =
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Objet : RE: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO Ultrium</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This isn't voodoo magic though... I'll bet a widget =
that the database has a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>lot of compressible table space. We see the =
simular results using AIT2/3,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>DTF2 and LTO media. Databases are highly =
compressible when there's a lot of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>empty table space, it freaks you out at first. =
;) I personally think 9940's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>are a waste of money, I tested LTO and 9940 drives =
side by side for 6 months</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and chose LTO... why? because they did dang near the =
same thing and were</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>both just as reliable as the other but the LTO =
drives cost *MUCH* less. :)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>It's interesting to read through all the responses =
of this thread, kudos to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>whomever started it.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul, I'm curious what model of emulex HBA's you're =
using? I'm running them</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>here and we have nothing but great performance out =
of them.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Steve Curry</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Yahoo! Inc.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu">mailto:veritas-b=
u-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</A>]On Behalf Of Winkeler,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:17 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO Ultrium</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>OfficeMax is in the midst of converting over to STK's =
T9940B drives,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>connecting them via 2Gbit Fiber Channel through EMC =
(read McData) edge</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>switches to a pair of Sun E6500 media servers. =
Although we are still</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>struggling with the Emulex HBA's performing at much =
less than expected</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>throughput we have already observed these T9940B =
drives running at speeds</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>over 45Mbytes/sec. In addition, the 3.3TByte =
production SAP database now</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>takes up 4 (yes, you are reading that correctly, =
four!) T9940 cartridges.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>That is to say, we have data cartridges with more =
than 1 Terrabyte of data</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>on them!</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Of course these T9940B drives do not come cheaply =
:-)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2> PaulW</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>---</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paul Winkeler, IT Consultant</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>216-471-3795</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Douglas Ritschel [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:dritschel62 AT yahoo DOT com">mailto:dritschel62 AT yahoo DOT
com</A>]<=
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 4:40 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Caddell, Scott; Scott Jacobson; =
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com; rob AT worman DOT org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO Ultrium</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What about the Storagetek 9940B drives? Does =
anyone</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>have any experience with them?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--- "Caddell, Scott" =
<dcaddell AT intersil DOT com> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> There were issues early on with the firmware of =
the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> SDLT 220, but starting with Firmware rev 35, =
SDLT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> has been great.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> [Caddell, Scott]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Scott Jacobson [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:SJACOBSO AT novell DOT com">mailto:SJACOBSO AT novell DOT
com</A>]</FON=
T>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:25 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com; rob AT worman DOT
org;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> dritschel62 AT yahoo DOT com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO =
Ultrium</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Yes please tell more, we are about to evaluate =
the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> M2500 with SDLT 320's - anyone seen any =
problems?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Thanks,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Scott J.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >>> "Kennedy, Jeffrey" =
<jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 12/10/02 11:32AM >>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I would be very interested to hear what =
problems</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> you're referring to. I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> was using SDLT 220 models and had no issues =
with at</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> all. Minus the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> occasional NBU problem of course.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> In my current position the operations group =
just</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> bought 20 SDLT 320's</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (or is it 330's?) and they love them. =
There are 45</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> more on order. So</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> far they've had no problems.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Can you give specifics? I'm sure I'm not =
the only</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> one interested.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ~JK</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Rob Worman [ <A =
HREF=3D"mailto:rob AT worman DOT org">mailto:rob AT worman DOT org</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 9:12 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: Douglas Ritschel; veritas-ng</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] SDLT vs LTO =
Ultrium</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> doug you didn't hear it from me, but if you're =
at a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> decision point</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> right now, choose LTO's.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there have been, and continue to be, really =
really</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> unpleasant</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> problems with even the latest versions of the =
SDLT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> firmware from</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> quantum.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> for that reason alone, LTO's are the winner of =
SDLT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> in my opinion.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> feel free to share this with the list, but =
leave my</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> name out of it</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> please.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> HTH</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> rob</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> At 7:30 AM -0800 12/10/02, Douglas Ritschel =
wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >What are the advantages and disadvantages =
of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> getting</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> >LTO Ultrium drives rather than SDLT =
drives?</FONT>
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