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Re: [Bacula-users] Request for help

2015-02-02 03:45:31
Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Request for help
From: Kern Sibbald <kern AT sibbald DOT com>
To: Heitor Faria <heitor AT bacula.com DOT br>, Ben Erridge <bene AT cyberoblivion DOT com>
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 09:43:30 +0100
Heitor,

Thanks for the support.  One note: people seem to be somewhat divided on whether or not dynamically linked libraries (.so on Linux and .dll on Windows) commonly called plugins are really part of the "source code" that they work with.  One school says that they fall under the GPL (if the main program with which they work is GPL), because they depend so closely on the program (i.e. they are derived works).   Another school says they are independent works.  If I am not mistaken, the Free Software Foundation takes the former stand, but on the other hand, one can obtain kernel modules that depend on kernel headers such as the NVidia driver which are proprietary.  I find plugins quite a gray area when talking about licensing and the GPL.

While much or even most of Bacula Systems extensions to Bacula are in plugins, Bacula Systems also relies on the fact that contributors have signed a fiduciary license agreement permitting me to use their contributions under other licenses (including non-free).  This licensing benefits everyone.

Best regards,
Kern

On 02.02.2015 01:30, Heitor Faria wrote:
Dear Bacula Users,

I'll try to express my impartial opinion here, as a lawyer with a little knowledge of intelectual property, hoping that anyone gets mad at me and to settle this. =)
Bacula is licensed by GNU Affero General Public License version 3, witch requires code modifications to be licensed with the same way, even though it doesn't obligate the modifier to publish it.
However, MOST of the code developed by Bacula Enterprise are in the form of Plugins (Vmware, Databases, etc.) and GUI (bweb), that CAN'T be considered derivations / modifications of the original Bacula Source code. In fact anyone can develop those accessories, like Webacula, Reportula, Webmin, etc. Some of them, in fact, use different programming language, so there is no way to contest the legality of those binaries. BE can license those in any way they want.


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De: "Ben Erridge" <bene AT cyberoblivion DOT com>
Para: "Dan Langille" <dan AT langille DOT org>
Cc: "bacula-users" <bacula-users AT lists.sourceforge DOT net>
Enviadas: Domingo, 1 de fevereiro de 2015 21:11:05
Assunto: Re: [Bacula-users] Request for help


The whole paraphrasing, "Bacula will sue you"  I saw directly on the Bacula Systems site..  I 'm sure it was worded a bit more PC. But it threatened the possibility of legal action against anyone using the bareos software.  The whole branching/forking is bad I read many places including backups.org, I think Kern's blog,  and also in a power point presentation I believe used by Bacula Systems for some conference in Europe last year.  I am not spending my evening finding the links.  You certainly have every right to find me full of shit and disregard my opinion.

> On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Ben Erridge <bene AT cyberoblivion DOT com> wrote:
>
> I doubt my opinion holds much weight either way but if you want my opinion here it is;
>
> As anyone would expect both sides say the other one is lying about many things. I can only assume, at this point, the truth lies somewhere in between.
>
> With that said I think this lawsuit only hurts Bacula. I never even heard of Bareos until this lawsuit came up. Then I started reading about it all over the place. Including a bunch of nonsense out of the Bacula camp like, “If you use Baroes software, Bacula will sue you” and “Braching is bad for open source”.

Do you have URLs for that?  I didn't see any of that from the Bacula project.


Dan Langille
http://langille.org/





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