ADSM-L

Re: Re[2]: Win 95 Scheduler

1998-09-08 15:13:09
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Win 95 Scheduler
From: Anthony Jones <Jones4A AT KOCHIND DOT COM>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 14:13:09 -0500
I second that!   I work in an environment that has over 1500 Win95/NT
desktops.  I have denied the Win95 users from using ADSM for this very
reason.  It is a nightmare trying to support a user group with the way ADSM
runs on 95.

I have configured the Microsoft System Agent to kick off the scheduler 30
minutes before the nightly backup, just in case the user closes it. This
seems to work ok, if the user leaves the pc up at night.

--- Anthony Jones
> -----Original Message-----
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Cleland [SMTP:adsmrus AT STLNET DOT COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 12:55 PM
> To:   ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject:      Re: Re[2]: Win 95 Scheduler
>
> I think you hit the nail on the head - the ADSM scheduler in Win95 is
> *NOT*
> a Windows friendly app.  It runs in a Dos box, as a command line app.
> Windows doesn't know what's running in that DOS session, so it will not
> kill
> it without asking the user.
>
> My wish for the Win95 client is for it to run as a true windows app, and
> reside in the tray, not on the task bar.  My laptop has at least 5 or 6
> little things running in the tray, and they are not obtrusive.  My
> personal
> opinion is that having the ADSM scheduler sit as a button on the task bar
> is
> wrong, and leaves it exposed to having the user mess with it.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Matt Cleland                            mcleland AT msiinet DOT com
> IBM Certified Specialist - ADSM
> Midland Systems, Inc.                   (618) 345-0864
> St. Louis, MO                           (618) 346-1779 FAX
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU]On Behalf 
> > Of
> > Eric LEWIS
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 1998 1:33 PM
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Subject: Re[2]: Win 95 Scheduler
> >
> >
> >      Well, not quite so fast.  Most Windows friendly applications talk
> to
> >      Windows during the shutdown process.  For example, my Word '97 will
> >      gracefully close files, prompt me for save of updated and open
> files,
> >      then shut down, all from a single Windows shutdown command.
> >
> >      Microsoft put the hooks there for application programmers to use if
> >      they want to.  I recall this particular hook in one of the earliest
> >      versions of the Windows SDK.  This is one of those ADSM rough
> edges.
> >
> >      There are (V2 at least) similar rough edges on the Macintosh
> client,
> >      the close window box on the Mac client actually shuts down the
> >      application.  Frustrating to Mac users who think they are
> > just putting
> >      the window into the background and then don't get a backup.  We
> >      reported this particular grievance to IBM - and a fix was
> > possible for
> >      v3.  I haven't checked yet.
> >
> >      Eric Lewis  U of Wis-Madison
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________ Reply Separator
> > _________________________________
> > Subject: Re: Win 95 Scheduler
> > Author:  "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>  at IPNET
> > Date:    9/8/98 9:56 AM
> >
> >
> > ADSM like any other program on WIN 95 is a started task.  If you shut
> down
> > Win 95 without shutting down running programs, you will get the same
> > problem.  It is a function of the operating system not ADSM.
> > The solution
> > is to go to Windows NT, where ADSM runs as a service in the background.
> >
> > Dave Larimer
> > State Farm Insurance
> > David.Larimer.HNJ9 AT StateFarm DOT com
> >
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