AFAIK Windows mscs NW licenses are still required if you are clustering
within esx - you will also still need the module for exchange backups
(or nmm) as well - the vcals will not cover module backups , only vcb
savesets, and fs backups without VCB for clients defined as "Virtual".
(again, this is AFAIK - if someone knows otherwise, please correct me).
Cheers,
Jamie
VCP3, VCP4
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mark wragge [mailto:mark_t_wragge AT yahoo DOT ie]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:19 PM
>> To: EMC NetWorker discussion; James Pratt
>> Subject: Re: [Networker] client licenses for vmware virtual machines
>>
>> thanks for all the responses to this question. One final query...
>>
>> If i have 2 ESX servers running 2 VMs that are a MSCS cluster with
SQL server
>> database. Can i license each ESX server with Virtual Edition
Connection License and i am
>> then covered for all backups on these virtual machines?
>>
>> I do not need to purchase 2 Cluster Connection Licenses and 1 NMM
license?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 24/3/10, James Pratt <jpratt AT NORWICH DOT EDU> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Pratt <jpratt AT NORWICH DOT EDU>
>> Subject: Re: [Networker] client licenses for vmware virtual
machines
>> To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
>> Date: Wednesday, 24 March, 2010, 0:35
>>
>>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: EMC NetWorker discussion
>> [mailto:NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
>>
<http://ie.mc280.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]
>> .EDU> ]
>> >> On Behalf Of MIchael Leone
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:04 PM
>> >> To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
>>
<http://ie.mc280.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]
>> .EDU>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Networker] client licenses for vmware virtual
machines
>> >>
>> >> Isn't a full VCB image a full backup of the ESX server *and*
all the
>> VMs
>> >> currently running on it?
>> >>
>> >> If so, that's a problem. I don't want to restore an entire
VCB image
>> of
>> >> one of my ESX hosts, with has 8 VMs, each of which has 50G
disk space
>> >> assigned to it, just to later extract out a file or two in
just one
>> of the
>> >> VMs.
>> >>
>> >> I have a feeling that I'm mis-understanding how that works.
Or you're
>> >> mis-understanding what I'm asking ...
>>
>> Yes - likely a combination of both... No, you will never backup
or
>> restore a full ESX host - ESX is just a container server of
sorts (think
>> vmotion, HA, DR etc) ... A vcb image is an export image (aka
"snapshot")
>> of a vm sent from your san to a windows vcb proxy server host
via the
>> VCB integration scripts and then backed up by the legato
networker
>> integration module. The exported files themselves are quite
similar to
>> what you would download in a "virtual appliance" on vmware's
VMTN , then
>> run it through vmware converter to restore it back from export
files to
>> a working vm - I have not done any homework on filesystem-level
backups
>> using VCB, so I cannot answer that one in full actually -
perhaps
>> someone else uses the *ALLVMFS* saveset in this manner, or
perhaps (like
>> it was in 7.4.x, "C\" or something along those lines for
file-level?
>>
>> >>
>> >> What I was asking: if SERV001 is a VM; can I browse through
the
>> backups of
>> >> SERV001 using the GUI; choose the 2 or 3 files I want; and
recover
>> just
>> >> those? Exactly as I would do with a physical machine. I
don't want
>> to
>> >> have to restore a backup of *all* the VMs that were running
on that
>> ESX
>> >> hosts to somewhere else, and then dig out just those 2 or 3
files out
>> of
>> >> the hundreds of gigs worth of stuff I just restored.
>>
>> If you were using the All saveset, then the answer would be yes.
If you
>> were using one of the VCB saveset commands... well, I cannot
tell you
>> because we only do full images here. :(
>>
>> >>
>> >> I have like 80 VMs now, and 90 licenses (plus storage nodes
and
>> cluster
>> >> clients). If I can use 10 Virtual Client Licenses to back up
all 80
>> of
>> >> those VMs, that will free up 70 licenses for physical
machines. Yes?
>>
>> Yes - AFAIK, if all of those 80 vm's are defined explicitly as
"Virtual
>> clients" in the client config in networker, this would be the
case. As I
>> mentioned, we use the "All" saveset just as one would on a
physical
>> system on many of these clients, since they may be exchange C:\
volumes
>> etc etc , which are not good for VCB
>>
>> >>
>> >> I can then make sure I leave those licenses for the physical
hosts.
>> We
>> >> don't like to run SQL as a VM, so I have a number of SQL
servers
>> >> (including clustered servers).
>>
>> Yes, we don't run it in a vm either, that wouldn't be too smart
IMO, so
>> yes it works out well indeed. I would like a clustered setup as
well,
>> but not being a big windows MSCS fan, do not want the headaches.
Drs and
>> HA still work if vcenter breaks and our admins can figure out
what they
>> need to in that rare occasion.
>>
>> Hope that clears some stuff up, it's muddy out there I know! :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jamie
>>
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