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[Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support

2006-05-10 13:55:10
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
From: ssesar AT mitre DOT org (Steven L. Sesar)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:55:10 -0400
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Perceived lower TCO, percieved increased stability compared to Windows, 
less prone to viral infections as opposed to Windows, perceived 
increased ability to harden Linux versus, Windows, to name a few reasons 
why we've chosen to look at Linux. In some technology spaces it makes 
sense, in others, it doesn't.  The key operative above is, "perceived".






Dhotre, Shekhar wrote:

>>>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for
>>>      
>>>
>NetBackup
>
>
>Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Scott
>Jacobson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:44 PM
>To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List
>Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support
>
>Ed,
> 
>What about the other "white meat".  We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes
>running as both Master and Media Servers.
> 
>;-)
> 
>-sj
>
>  
>
>>>>Ed Wilts <ewilts AT ewilts DOT org> 5/10/2006 10:17 AM >>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance their use of
>Linux as NetBackup servers.  Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and
>a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and
>hard about this decision.  Symantec  has not yet been able to
>demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an
>enterprise platform.
>
>Fact:  NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop
>support for RHEL 3.  RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will
>be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010.  Symantec will cut you
>off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops
>supporting the OS.  On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released
>2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup
>6.5.
>Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and
>full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. 
>This
>should show you where Symantec's priorities lie.
>
>Fact:  Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're
>deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3.  One Symantec enterprise
>product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise
>product.  RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't
>started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system
>requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does
>not seem to be supported.
>
>Fact:  NOM on Linux.  Nope, it doesn't exist.  Windows or Solaris only.
>
>Symantec doesn't seem to get it.  I'm turning blue in the face trying to
>explain this to my local office.  I know that there are Symantec folks
>on this list - feel free to pass this on.  Symantec's actions do not go
>without notice.
>
>I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup
>and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the
>platform as it should be trusted.  We recently replaced our master and
>one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris.  We spent a lot more
>money but at least I know it will work.
>
>Enough rambling.  If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux
>support, contact your Symantec reps.
>
>        .../Ed
>
>--
>Ed Wilts, RHCE
>Mounds View, MN, USA
>mailto:ewilts AT ewilts DOT org
>Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program
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Perceived lower TCO, percieved increased stability compared to Windows,
less prone to viral infections as opposed to Windows, perceived
increased ability to harden Linux versus, Windows, to name a few
reasons why we've chosen to look at Linux. In some technology spaces it
makes sense, in others, it doesn't.&nbsp; The key operative above is,
"perceived".<br>
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Dhotre, Shekhar wrote:
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      <pre wrap="">I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux 
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Any particular reason -your management is interested in Linux ? 


-----Original Message-----
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT 
mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu">veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT 
mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu">mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT 
edu</a>] On Behalf Of Scott
Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:44 PM
To: Ed Wilts; List Veritas List
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Symantec and Linux support

Ed,
 
What about the other "white meat".  We have SLES 8 and 9 Linux boxes
running as both Master and Media Servers.
 
;-)
 
-sj

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  <pre wrap=""><!---->I regularly see postings from people looking to enhance 
their use of
Linux as NetBackup servers.  Although I am a *strong* Linux advocate and
a Red Hat Certified Engineer, I would advise that you think long and
hard about this decision.  Symantec  has not yet been able to
demonstrate any willingness to support Red Hat Enterprise Linux as an
enterprise platform.

Fact:  NetBackup 6.5, targeted for release in February, 2007, will drop
support for RHEL 3.  RHEL 3 started shipping in October, 2003 and will
be supported by Red Hat through October, 2010.  Symantec will cut you
off with its current release nearly 4 years before Red Hat stops
supporting the OS.  On the other hand, Windows 2000, which was released
2 1/2 years earlier than RHEL 3, will still be supported by NetBackup
6.5.
Additionally, mainstream support for Win2K server has already ended and
full support will end from Microsoft *before* RHEL 3 support ends. 
This
should show you where Symantec's priorities lie.

Fact:  Symantec Brightmail is not available for RHEL 4 so if you're
deploying today, you have to deploy on RHEL 3.  One Symantec enterprise
product will soon be unable to back up another Symantec enterprise
product.  RHEL 4 has been out for over a year and still Symantec hasn't
started supporting it. I just searched the support site for the system
requirements in case my local office was wrong, and RHEL 4 still does
not seem to be supported.

Fact:  NOM on Linux.  Nope, it doesn't exist.  Windows or Solaris only.

Symantec doesn't seem to get it.  I'm turning blue in the face trying to
explain this to my local office.  I know that there are Symantec folks
on this list - feel free to pass this on.  Symantec's actions do not go
without notice.

I've been asked by my management why we're not using Linux for NetBackup
and I bluntly told them that Symantec can't be trusted to support the
platform as it should be trusted.  We recently replaced our master and
one of our media servers and stuck with Solaris.  We spent a lot more
money but at least I know it will work.

Enough rambling.  If you have concerns about NetBackup and Linux
support, contact your Symantec reps.

        .../Ed

--
Ed Wilts, RHCE
Mounds View, MN, USA
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ewilts AT ewilts DOT 
org">mailto:ewilts AT ewilts DOT org</a>
Member #1, Red Hat Community Ambassador Program
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   Steven L. Sesar
   Senior Operating Systems Programmer/Analyst
   UNIX Application Services R101
   The MITRE Corporation
   202 Burlington Road - KS101
   Bedford, MA 01730
   tel: (781) 271-7702
   fax: (781) 271-2600
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