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Re: [NV-L] Why isn't SWITCH ANALYZER packaged with NV

2006-07-21 10:56:54
Subject: Re: [NV-L] Why isn't SWITCH ANALYZER packaged with NV
From: James Shanks <jshanks AT us.ibm DOT com>
To: Tivoli NetView Discussions <nv-l AT lists.ca.ibm DOT com>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:56:37 -0400
Micromuse is the future

James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group


                                                                           
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Thank you James.

    So does that mean the IBM product that will do this, will continue
to be Netview, or a new product under MicroMuse (Performance IP maybe)?

We use the TEC and yes the Netview is kind of a freebee under Princeton
agreement.


Jeff Fitzwater
OIT Network Systems
Princeton University

James Shanks wrote:
> I don't know how "good" the reason is but there is one.  Remember that
the
> basic design of NetView is about fifteen years old, and for much of that
> time, layer 2 visibility wasn't required.  Layer 3 was sufficient.  It's
> only newer technologies like VLAN, MPLS,  wireless, and so on, which make
> it essential for managing those things.  Enter Switch Analyzer.   Switch
> Analyzer is not part of the NetView base, but was developed externally by
> Magnum Technology and IBM has been licensing the code from them, as well
as
> continuing support and development.  It's recovering all that new
> investment in a short  time which makes the code so expensive.   The rest
> of NetView is practically free.  Heck, it is free if you buy TEC.
>
> But you are right, Jeff.  A comprehensive network management solution
> should include built-in layer 2 visibility, full-support for SNMPv1, v2,
> and v3, and more.  And that's our direction.  That's why IBM purchased
> Micromuse.
>
> James Shanks
> Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
> Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group
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> Is there a good reason why SWITCH ANALYZER is not part of the Netview
> package?
>
> It would seem that a level2 node mapping would be part of any product
> like this.
>
> I have been looking at adding the product, but is cost prohibitive due
> to pricing.
>
> Education price 8.00 per switch port and 4k per host processor.
>
> We have 15k switch ports =        120,000
> host has 2  900MHz Process =        8,000
> Maintenance per Yr                         5,000
> ------------------------------------------
> Total cost would be                    ~$133,000
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> I could lower the cost a little by upgrading the host to a single 2k
> processor.  That makes sense!?
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> I have talked with sales, but no break there.
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>
> Any comments please.
>
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> Jeff Fitzwater
> OIT Network Systems
> Princeton University
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