Re: The question of ...Evaluating Platforms/Frameworks Aga

1998-09-22 10:29:41
Subject: Re: The question of ...Evaluating Platforms/Frameworks Aga
To: nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:29:41 +0200
     Just to clarify.

     OpenView is a suite of products like Tivoli. Network Node Manager is a
     SNMP manager like NetView.

     In the OpenView suite you'll find management capabilities of network,
     systems and applications. You'll also find inventory and asset
     management, software distribution, performance management, backup
     management, change management, database management, ERP management,
     BackOffice management and so on.

     Don't be surprised by the question. Like many others are GE both
     Tivoli and OpenView reseller (and BMC and others for that matter).

     What's really surprising is that you don't know you competition. There
     are three major players in the enterprise network and system
     management arena: CA, Tivoli and HP. Have a look at
     http://www.openview.hp.com/ if you want to know a little about the
     aprox. 30 OpenView products (besides NNM) and aprox. 300 third party
     OpenView products. I'm not here to tell which one is the better. That
     all depends on requirements. But if GE want some input from end users
     let them have it. They asked the same question on the OpenView mailing

     Conclusion: Tivoli has a solution; so do CA and HP.

     - Michael.

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Subject: Re: The question of ...Evaluating Platforms/Frameworks Aga
Author:  Non-HP-James-Shanks (James_Shanks AT TIVOLI DOT COM) at 
Date:    22-09-98 15:47

I don't want to seem rude, but this is comparing apples to oranges, isn't

 HP OpenView is an SNMP manager and NetView is an SNMP manager with the
same basic architecture, but there the similarity ends.  Leaving aside the
fact that the NT version of NetView won the 1998 Software Product of the
Year award,  Tivoli has a much more global reach than that.  There is
Inventory, which can keep a database of all your machines and what software
at what levels you can install on them, there is Software Distribution,
which will allow you to automatically distribute software to those end
points, there is TEC, which will integrate logs and events from a variety of
different hosts, and there are many application modules to monitor various
applications.  Whatever you want to manage, Tivoli has a solution. HP does

I am surprised that GE Capital is even asking the question, since there was
a press announcement on August 24 that they are now a Tivoli re-seller of
the  Tivoli Output Manager, which manages output files and printing from
the mainframe to the desktop.   Didn't our marketing folks brief you guys
on the rest of the product line?

James Shanks
Tivoli (NetView for UNIX) L3 Support

Peter Stubbs <Peter.Stubbs AT GECITS-AP DOT COM> on 09/22/98 03:07:57 AM

Please respond to Discussion of IBM NetView and POLYCENTER Manager on
      NetView et alia <NV-L AT UCSBVM.UCSB DOT EDU>

cc:    (bcc: James Shanks)
Subject:  The question of ...Evaluating Platforms/Frameworks Again

Once again I have been charged with the task of evaluating EMS type
platforms/frameworks. At present I am looking at both Tivoli vs HP
OpenView..... with a mind to installing layered applications to monitor the
network, PC desktops, NT & UNIX servers, application databases, interfaces
to Remedy/Clarify helpdesks and of course the network.

I am after user feedback as to the latest level of ease of installation,
configuration and operation for each of theselayered app's on each
platform.  Looking at the product sheets, both both vendors promise all
.... however, as we live in the real world, I am interested in how easy
people have found to deliver these promises.

Thanks in advance.

GE Capital IT Solutions
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