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Re: [Veritas-bu] Is BMR worth it / How long does it really save you?

2008-02-21 14:56:05
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Is BMR worth it / How long does it really save you?
From: "Rosenkoetter, Gabriel" <Gabriel.Rosenkoetter AT radian DOT biz>
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:21:01 -0500
Having just dealt with the licensing for this, BMR is included, as of 6.5, as part of the *Enterprise* server license. (It's completely unclear to me whether you can still buy a non-enterprise license, but an upgrade of our 5.1MP5 systems, which didn't have the BMR feature enabled, happily used the old keys but didn't enable BMR, despite the meatspace permission to use it; you have to go dance with licensing.symantec.com to get an updated key.)
 
I also agree with Ed, Curtis, Jon, and anybody else who said the same thing that hasn't made it to me in a digest yet. Note that you may not save wall-clock time if you're fast and reliable about laying down the OS, configuration, and NBU client, but you definitely do save man hours because you don't have to take all the interim steps manually.
 
That said, I haven't seen any reason to switch from an existing, documented, and internally-understood HP-UX systems recovery that relies on the (HP) vendor-supplied sys_recover bits, but BMR's definitely a win for OSes with less mature ways to do this (Windows, Linux) and probably for places where you aren't already doing something that works.

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gabriel rosenkoetter
Radian Group Inc, Unix/Linux/VMware Sysadmin / Backup & Recovery
gabriel.rosenkoetter AT radian DOT biz, 215 231 1556

 


From: Curtis Preston [mailto:cpreston AT glasshouse DOT com]
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:45 PM
To: Ed Wilts; Hadrian Baron
Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Is BMR worth it / How long does it really save you?

I couldn’t agree with Ed more.  In addition, I BELIEVE under the new pricing model, BMR is included in the base product.

 

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W. Curtis Preston

Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com

VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies


From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 4:47 PM
To: Hadrian Baron
Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Is BMR worth it / How long does it really save you?

 

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Hadrian Baron <Hadrian.Baron AT vegas DOT com> wrote:

Does BMR really speed up recovery significantly?  Reading through  the documentation it seems that between the multiple reboots, reinstalling windows, restoring the data files, reformat time, it seems like it doesn't save much time over a typical restore (manually reformat the system, load nic drivers + Netbackup, and kick off restore).


Disclaimer:  I've seen the demos but we don't have it running yet.  I know the theory though.

I've seen a full system restore from bare metal in 20 minutes.  Our Windows admins take a day or 2 to rebuild a server...and even then, they don't always get it right.

One of the key things to consider, though, is how important it is to get the server back to the exact same configuration it was before it died.  If it's important, and it probably should be, BMR is far more critical than a simple re-install.  Don't forget that not only do you have to re-install Windows, you'd have to apply all of the identical server paks you had on the system to begin within, all of the exact same versions and patches to the applications, identical drivers, identical registry settings, local user configurations, share configurations, and only then can you worry about the application data.  If you try the rebuild approach, the odds are almost 100% that what you end up with will not be the same as what you started with.  One missed setting and your application could crash, fail, or corrupt data.  You may not even partition the drives the same as what you had.

   .../Ed

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Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
mailto:ewilts AT ewilts DOT org

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