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Re: [ADSM-L] DR Rebuild please chime in.

2017-04-28 09:48:13
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] DR Rebuild please chime in.
From: "Plair, Ricky" <rplair AT HEALTHPLAN DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:46:25 +0000
There were a number of problems this year that caused management to rethink the 
TSM solution.

One,  we have our TSM server on a Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise system running TSM 
server version 6.3.4.0. and it uses Microsoft clustering. Somehow our 
clustering died and we lost the secondary TSM server and it took almost 2 days 
to get back the primary TSM server. Then about a month later we had a power 
outage (complete power outage) and lost the entire data center. This corrupted 
the data on the TSM server and caused a lot of different problems and basically 
had to be rebuilt from scratch. Then when we got to the DR exercise 
approximately 2 months later a couple of the DB2 database were corrupt and 
could not be restored from TSM. Sooooo, that meant that TSM was a problem and 
we needed to change our backup solution around.

And below is what they want to do. Fantastic!

Around here if there is a problem, blame TSM.


Ricky M. Plair
Storage Engineer
HealthPlan Services
Office: 813 289 1000 Ext 2273
Mobile: 813 357 9673



-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of 
Stefan Folkerts
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 7:52 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] DR Rebuild please chime in.

That should work, I am wondering why you are stopping with TSM replication 
because as mentioned by Matthew moving away from the application integration 
has it's downsides.
So can you share the reasons with us?
On the plus side, you get something close to continues replication so things 
like DB log backups are offsite the moment they are done locally something that 
TSM replication does not currently support.

For me, the biggest thing you lose is that you lose the recovery of damaged 
data on the local server from the replica, an automatic mechanism with TSM 
replication.
That would mean you have to have a copypool locally to protect the data in the 
same way.
This would be an important point for me, if you are running the directory 
containerpool the impact on housekeeping might be limited but I find the impact 
of a large copypool with deduplicating file device type storagepools to be a 
disaster.




On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:02 AM, Harris, Steven < steven.harris AT 
btfinancialgroup DOT com> wrote:

> Ricky
>
> I have something similar at my current gig.
>
> Database and landing storage pools are on V840 flash and migrate to 
> Protectier VTL. The V840 data is remote copied and the VTL uses its 
> own replication mechanism. Recovery is to bring up the instance on hot 
> AIX LPARs using the replicated database at the  remote site.  This is 
> used for multiple TSM Servers, in both directions.
>
> DR has been tested twice by others, and appears to work.  I'll find 
> out for myself in a week or so, change control willing.
>
> Cheers
>
> Steve
>
> Steven Harris
> TSM Admin/Consultant
> Canberra Australia.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf 
> Of Matthew McGeary
> Sent: Friday, 28 April 2017 6:17 AM
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] DR Rebuild please chime in.
>
> If I'm understanding correctly, your DR site will have a storage-level 
> copy of all your TSM storage pools, database, logs, etc.
>
> In that case, yes, what is being proposed should work.  However, 
> you're trading a replication that can be monitored and validated to a 
> storage-level model that isn't application aware.
>
> AND, if you're not doing anything on the DB2 side during replication (ie:
> quiescing) then the server will do a crash-recovery startup at the DR site.
>
> Crash-recovery has always worked for me in DB2, but it's not as 
> fool-proof as DB2 HA/DR replication, recovering from a DB2 backup or 
> using the TSM replication that you're ripping out.  There may come a 
> time when you do a DR test or actual DR and your TSM database won't 
> recover properly from that crash-level snapshot.  Then what do you do?
>
> Why in god's name is this change happening?
> __________________________
> Matthew McGeary
> Senior Technical Specialist - Infrastructure Management Services 
> PotashCorp
> T: (306) 933-8921
> www.potashcorp.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf 
> Of Plair, Ricky
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:27 PM
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: [ADSM-L] DR Rebuild please chime in.
>
> All,
>
> Our last DR was a disaster.
>
> Right now,  we do the TSM server to TSM server replication and it 
> works fairly well but, they have decide we need to fix something that 
> is not broken.
>
> So, the idea is to upgrade to SP 8.1 and install on a zLinux machine. 
> Our storage is on an IBM V7000, and where we were performing  the TSM 
> replication, we are trashing that and going to IBM V7000 replicating 
> to V7000.
>
> Now,  the big twist in this is,  we will not have a TSM server at our 
> DR anymore. The entire primary TSM server will be backed up to the 
> V7000 and replicated to our V7000 at the DR site.
>
> There is no TSM server at the DR site so, IBM will build us one when 
> we have our DR exercise and then according to our trusty DB2 guys we 
> should just be able to break the connection to the Primary TSM server,  
> do a little DB2 magic and WOLA the TSM server will be up.
>
> This is my question, if the TSM server is built in DR and the primary 
> TSM servers database in on the DR V7000,  then that database will 
> still have to be restore to the TSM server. You're not going to be 
> able to just bring it up because its DB2 and point to the TSM server and it 
> work, right?
>
> Please let me know your thought's. I know I have left a lot of details 
> out but I'm just trying to get some views. If you need more 
> information I will be happy to provide it.
>
> I appreciate your time.
>
>
>
>
> Ricky M. Plair
> Storage Engineer
>
>
>
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