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Re: Cleaning Machine for 3590 cartridges

2003-10-24 11:02:57
Subject: Re: Cleaning Machine for 3590 cartridges
From: Lloyd Dieter <dieter AT SNRGY DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:01:12 -0400
Dave,

Remember that by going from "B" drives to "H" drives you are now writing 3
times as many tracks (128 vs 384) per tape, and 3 times as much data per
cartridge.

Consequently, you will almost certainly have some "marginal" tapes that
would work at the lower density that will now likely give problems.

Every site that we have assisted with such an upgrade has experienced some
number of cartridges that have shown up as bad after the upgrade.

Upgrading Atape will probably not be much help here.

If these are IBM cartridges, remember that these have a lengthy warranty
that you can take advantage of (800-IBM-MEDIA); if they are another brand,
check their warranty policies.

Regards,

-Lloyd


On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:27:01 -0700
"Pearson, Dave" <DCPearson AT SNOPUD DOT COM> wrote thusly:

> Hi Zlatko,
>
> Thanks for replying...
>
> The problems we are having is we been getting a lots of read/write error
> on our 3590 J tapes.  We have about 1300 tapes in our 3494library and in
> just the last 2 months, we have gotten 13 read/write errors on our
> tapes. Before the upgrade we very rarely see a bad tape and now we see
> too many.
>
> Last summer, we did expand our 3494library adding two frame and another
> assessor to the library.  We also upgraded our 3590 tape drive from B1A
> to H1A. We are on the latest ATAPE driver too.
>
> David C. Pearson
> IS Production Support Analyst
> System & Network Service
> Snohomish County PUD # 1
>  <<ole0.bmp>>
> Phone: 425.347.4420
> Pager:  425.290.0944
> FAX:     425.267.6380
> E-mail: DCPearson AT snopud DOT com
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From:   Zlatko Krastev [SMTP:acit AT ATTGLOBAL DOT NET]
>         Sent:   Friday, October 24, 2003 4:50 AM
>         To:     ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>         Subject:        Re: Cleaning Machine for 3590 cartridges
>
>         You did not called it IBM but I assumed it being unaware of the
>         device. Thanks to Richard's clarification I was able to figure
>         it out.
>
>         Now to the topic:
>         if you really need to use such machine, it would certainly mean
>         your server room environment is *dirty*! If it indeed is, the
>         risk of losing data would be rather close to the risk when you
>         are not doing backups at all. I can only quote a sentence not
>         invented by me:"Poor security is worse than no security at all,
>         as it provides fake sense of security!"
>
>         If your library environment is clean enough (through using and
>         regular cleaning of appropriate filters in conditioners) and
>         your operators are handling tapes only through library I/O
>         station - you should not need such a device. At that point I
>         personally would react nearly as Tom suggested.
>
>         Zlatko Krastev
>         IT Consultant
>
>
>
>
>
>
>         "Pearson, Dave" <DCPearson AT SNOPUD DOT COM>
>         Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
>         23.10.2003 17:26
>         Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"
>
>
>                 To:     ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>                 cc:
>                 Subject:        Re: Cleaning Machine for 3590 cartridges
>
>
>         I apolgise for calling the 3599 model an IBM.... My mistake.
>
>         I was just giving one model of cartridge cleaning machine called
>         3599 (Yes there are cartridge cleaning meachine out there.)
>
>         There is another cleaning machine called.. "STAR" 3590 cartridge
>         cleaning machine.
>         I'm sure there are many other 'brand' of machine that clean
>         tapes/cartridge.
>
>         Ziatko,  does you company clean their cartridges on these type
>         of machine? If so,  Is it worth it?
>         if not... why you don't use them?
>
>         Thanks again Ziatko.
>
>         Dave Pearson
>
>         > -----Original Message-----
>         > From: Zlatko Krastev [SMTP:acit AT ATTGLOBAL DOT NET]
>         > Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 5:13 AM
>         > To:   ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
>         > Subject:      Re: Cleaning Machine for 3590 cartridges
>                  IBM 3599 is not a machine, but so called "machine type
>                  / model"
>         for
>                 ordering any Magstar cartridges.
>                 3599-001, -002, -003 are 3590 J cartridges (10/20/30 GB)
>                 3599-004, -005, -006 are 3590 K cartridges (20/40/60 GB)
>                 3599-007 is 3590 cleaning cartridge (what probably you
>                 are looking
>         for!!!)
>                 3599-011, -012, -013 are 3592 cartridges (300 GB)
>                 3599-017 is 3592 cleaning cartridge.
>
>                 This is a second method to order cartridges through IBM
>                 Storage
>         channel.
>                 The first is as components of 3590 drives. Same is for
>                 LTO - they
>         can be
>                 ordered as part of 358x unit or separately as 3589-xxx
>                 media. If you need short confirm: Yes, this is
>                 working/supported cleaning
>         media
>                 for any IBM 3590 drives (standalone, within IBM 3494, or
>                 within
>         StorageTek
>                 silo)!
>
>                 Machine type does not mean automatically hardware. For
>                 example
>         before
>                 joining Passport Advantage, TSM was machine type/model
>                 5697-TSM
>         and later
>                 5698-TSM!
>
>                 Zlatko Krastev
>                 IT Consultant
>


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