Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
2007-07-09 14:13:01
Pharma is a special case I’ll
admit. Doing FDA validation does require documentation to a level that makes
SOX look like a walk in the park. I worked for a big pharmaceutical in RTP,
NC. Often I relate documentation horror stories to them – such as
writing change controls that were on average 25 pages long (with the shortest
being 11 pages and the longest over 100 pages).
No worries – I just challenged the “best
practice” line because that often implies some vendor or association has
a white paper discussing it. Most of the vendors don’t because they don’t
really care about what happens to whatever you were using prior to using them.
Of course a 20 year records retention
policy doesn’t necessarily mean 20 years of tape backups. Also since
one was allowed to microfiche paper documents in the past for “legal”
retention I think a good lawyer could successfully use that “one medium
to another” type of retention as a precedent for converting tapes but had
thrown that out there as food for thought. If you gave 10 lawyers the same
scenario and asked for a legal “opinion” you’d likely get 10
different “opinions” which would contradict each other.
I wasn’t saying one had to do the
conversion – just playing devil’s advocate because of the “best
practice” line.
From: Boris Kraizman
[mailto:sysadminzone AT gmail DOT com]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:38
PM
To: Jeff Lightner
Cc: Jenner, Steven;
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu]
migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
Hi Jeff,
I work for Pharma, and we have 20 years records save policy. You need to
document all your operations, we do have a lot request for restores from our
ligal department and we have a good writen document how to do restores via
ARcServe step by step, same in NetBackup. If you have resources to convert all
your old tapes into the new format, then go for it. But in my case where I have
over 1000 tapes LTO and DLT writen with ufsdump and ArcServe, nobody gave me
such budget. Also, ligal or not, again if it is qualified envoronment as mine,
then you would have to do the same with anything, even do retrospective
qualification, I don't even talk about SOX or any other compliances. I was
saying about "best" with "less" from the technology and
business point.
Thank you,
Boris
On 7/9/07, Jeff
Lightner <jlightner AT water DOT com>
wrote:
I guess I would challenge the "best
practice". "Easiest" isn't always
"best". One might argue that it is "best" to
have all backups on a single solution as newer or inheriting administrators 3-4
years down the road may have no clue how to restore the old backups later if
all they know is NBU. Not saying you don't have a valid point of
view but I haven't seen this documented as "best practice" by any
vendor for the very reason that there are many ways to do things. On the
flip side is the "legal" aspect. One might be challenged
in court if they provided a NetBackup "restore" of files that were
backed up before NetBackup was implemented in one's environment. I
can think of nearly as many arguments for doing the conversion as for not doing
it so would challenge any "best practice" statement.
Restated: You pays your nickel and you takes your
choice.
Hi,
It is the best practice to consolidate all backups to one backup solution and
keep the older separate as a small environment for restores from old tapes.
That is what I did when I needed to migrate from ArcServe and consolidate all
existing backups to NetBackup. I have a small tape liner for restores with
ArcServe and all SAN based tape libraries now with NetBackup. I think, this
approach is much less expensive and time consuming.
Regards,
Boris
On
7/6/07, Jenner, Steven <Steven.Jenner AT uk.telstra DOT com>
wrote:
Hi Guys,
Thanks for all of the responses, they pretty much confirm what I
thought.
I think we may just leave a scaled down Legato system in place which can
be shut down when the last tape expires in seven years.
Regards,
Steve.
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lamont2k5
Sent: 06 July 2007 05:50
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Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
I think this also applies to other backup software (other than BEWS).
Had
one client asking for the same thing, migrate their EDM (an old emc
backup) tapes to NetBackup. But if would be the case - restore then
backup
again to NBU - it would really eat up a lot of resources.
They decided not to take that path, instead they opted to maintain their
old system to cater for the restore requests. :)
-lamont
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:38:09 +0800, Sponsler, Michael
<
Michael.Sponsler AT ngc DOT com> wrote:
> I worked with Symantec some time ago with this very issue.
> And the short answer is no, there is no other way other than manually
> restoring the data than backing up up with netbackup.
> --
> Mike Sponsler
> Michael.Sponsler AT ngc DOT com
> Northrop Grumman Information Technology
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> From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu ] On Behalf Of
Jenner,
> Steven
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:54 AM
> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: [Veritas-bu] migrating Legato images from tape to NetBackup
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I am looking at consolidating two disparate backup systems one running
> Legato the other NetBackup.
>
>
> As I come from the NetBackup School I would like to ensure the new
> system runs on NetBackup; however I have an issue with archived data
> held on tape that was backed up using Legato. The other team have a
> retention policy of seven years therefore existing backup images
created
> with the Legato system are not due to expire any time soon and could
be
> called upon for a restore at any time.
>
>
> Is there a way to migrate the data held on the Legato media to the
> NetBackup system, other than manually restoring the data to a server
> from the Legato tapes then backing up with NetBackup?
>
>
> We are talking about several hundred tapes therefore the manual
process
> detailed above would be extremely time consuming.
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
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