Kern,

I tried this tonight.  Marked the mail.tar file only and redid the
restore.   It failed again with the same error.

Any other suggestions?

---Kenny

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Kern Sibbald <kern AT sibbald DOT com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It looks to me from the name /fifo/ and the error you are getting that you
> may be asking Bacula to restore a fifo, and that could easily lead to
> problems.
>
> I suggest one more attempt to restore.  Do everything pretty much as you
> have outlined here, but instead of doing a "mark *"  cd down to the file
> "mail.tar" and mark only it.  Then attempt the restore.  When you do the
> mark * you are in fact asking Bacula to restore all the directories at a
> higher level, and if one is a fifo, that is where there could be problems.
>
> Best regards,
> Kern
>
> On 09/08/2014 09:53 PM, Kenny Noe wrote:
>
> Heitor,
>
> Yes, I did change to local (/tmp) this past attempt.
>
> *restore
>
> First you select one or more JobIds that contain files
> to be restored. You will be presented several methods
> of specifying the JobIds. Then you will be allowed to
> select which files from those JobIds are to be restored.
>
> To select the JobIds, you have the following choices:
>      1: List last 20 Jobs run
>      2: List Jobs where a given File is saved
>      3: Enter list of comma separated JobIds to select
>      4: Enter SQL list command
>      5: Select the most recent backup for a client
>      6: Select backup for a client before a specified time
>      7: Enter a list of files to restore
>      8: Enter a list of files to restore before a specified time
>      9: Find the JobIds of the most recent backup for a client
>     10: Find the JobIds for a backup for a client before a specified time
>     11: Enter a list of directories to restore for found JobIds
>     12: Select full restore to a specified Job date
>     13: Cancel
> Select item:  (1-13): 3
> Enter JobId(s), comma separated, to restore: 12510
> You have selected the following JobId: 12510
>
> Building directory tree for JobId(s) 12510 ...
> 1 files inserted into the tree.
>
> You are now entering file selection mode where you add (mark) and
> remove (unmark) files to be restored. No files are initially added, unless
> you used the "all" keyword on the command line.
> Enter "done" to leave this mode.
>
> cwd is: /
> $ mark *
> 1 file marked.
> $ done
> Bootstrap records written to /etc/bacula/BS01-DIR1.restore.3.bsr
>
> The job will require the following
>    Volume(s)                 Storage(s)                SD Device(s)
> ===========================================================================
>
>     mail-0386                 Storage_bluewhale         File_bluewhale
>
> Volumes marked with "*" are online.
>
>
> 1 file selected to be restored.
>
> The defined Restore Job resources are:
>      1: Restore_os_asterisk
>      2: Restore_os_besc-4dvapp
>      3: Restore_db_besc-bs01
>      4: Restore_os_besc-bs01
>      5: Restore_os_besc-unixmgr01
>      6: Restore_mail_bluewhale
>      7: Restore_os_bluewhale
>      8: Restore_os_demo
>      9: Restore_app_demo
>     10: Restore_os_dev
>     11: Restore_app_dev
>     12: Restore_os_mako
>     13: Restore_app_mako
> Select Restore Job (1-13): 6
> Defined Clients:
>      1: asterisk
>      2: besc-4dvapp
>      3: besc-bs01
>      4: besc-unixmgr01
>      5: bluewhale
>      6: demo
>      7: dev
>      8: mako
>      9: qa
>     10: qa2
>     11: smart
> Select the Client (1-11): 5
> Run Restore job
> JobName:         Restore_mail_bluewhale
> Bootstrap:       /etc/bacula/BS01-DIR1.restore.3.bsr
> Where:           *None*
> Replace:         always
> FileSet:         Full_mail_bluewhale
> Backup Client:   bluewhale
> Restore Client:  bluewhale
> Storage:         Storage_bluewhale
> When:            2014-09-08 15:29:31
> Catalog:         BS01-Catalog
> Priority:        10
> Plugin Options:  *None*
> OK to run? (yes/mod/no): mod
> Parameters to modify:
>      1: Level
>      2: Storage
>      3: Job
>      4: FileSet
>      5: Restore Client
>      6: When
>      7: Priority
>      8: Bootstrap
>      9: Where
>     10: File Relocation
>     11: Replace
>     12: JobId
>     13: Plugin Options
> Select parameter to modify (1-13): 5
> The defined Client resources are:
>      1: asterisk
>      2: besc-4dvapp
>      3: besc-bs01
>      4: besc-unixmgr01
>      5: bluewhale
>      6: demo
>      7: dev
>      8: mako
> Select Client (File daemon) resource (1-8): 3
> Run Restore job
> JobName:         Restore_mail_bluewhale
> Bootstrap:       /etc/bacula/BS01-DIR1.restore.3.bsr
> Where:           *None*
> Replace:         always
> FileSet:         Full_mail_bluewhale
> Backup Client:   bluewhale
> Restore Client:  besc-bs01
> Storage:         Storage_bluewhale
> When:            2014-09-08 15:29:31
> Catalog:         BS01-Catalog
> Priority:        10
> Plugin Options:  *None*
> OK to run? (yes/mod/no): mod
> Parameters to modify:
>      1: Level
>      2: Storage
>      3: Job
>      4: FileSet
>      5: Restore Client
>      6: When
>      7: Priority
>      8: Bootstrap
>      9: Where
>     10: File Relocation
>     11: Replace
>     12: JobId
>     13: Plugin Options
> Select parameter to modify (1-13): 9
> Please enter path prefix for restore (/ for none): /tmp
> Run Restore job
> JobName:         Restore_mail_bluewhale
> Bootstrap:       /etc/bacula/BS01-DIR1.restore.3.bsr
> Where:           /tmp
> Replace:         always
> FileSet:         Full_mail_bluewhale
> Backup Client:   bluewhale
> Restore Client:  besc-bs01
> Storage:         Storage_bluewhale
> When:            2014-09-08 15:29:31
> Catalog:         BS01-Catalog
> Priority:        10
> Plugin Options:  *None*
> OK to run? (yes/mod/no): yes
> Job queued. JobId=12903
>
>
> Error
>
> 08-Sep 15:29 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12903: Start Restore Job
> Restore_mail_bluewhale.2014-09-08_15.29.51_05
> 08-Sep 15:29 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12903: Using Device "File_bluewhale"
> 08-Sep 15:29 BS01-SD1 JobId 12903: Ready to read from volume "mail-0386" on
> device "File_bluewhale" (/nas/bacula/bluewhale).
> 08-Sep 15:29 BS01-SD1 JobId 12903: Forward spacing Volume "mail-0386" to
> file:block 0:219.
> 08-Sep 15:51 BS01-SD1 JobId 12903: End of Volume at file 28 on device
> "File_bluewhale" (/nas/bacula/bluewhale), Volume "mail-0386"
> 08-Sep 15:51 BS01-SD1 JobId 12903: End of all volumes.
> 08-Sep 15:30 BS01-FD1 JobId 12903: Error: create_file.c:292 Could not open
> /tmp/data/backups/mail/fifo/mail.tar: ERR=Interrupted system call
> 08-Sep 15:51 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12903: Bacula BS01-DIR1 5.2.2 (26Nov11):
>   Build OS:               x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu ubuntu 11.10
>   JobId:                  12903
>   Job:                    Restore_mail_bluewhale.2014-09-08_15.29.51_05
>   Restore Client:         besc-bs01
>   Start time:             08-Sep-2014 15:29:53
>   End time:               08-Sep-2014 15:51:58
>   Files Expected:         1
>   Files Restored:         0
>   Bytes Restored:         0
>   Rate:                   0.0 KB/s
>   FD Errors:              0
>   FD termination status:  OK
>   SD termination status:  OK
>   Termination:            Restore OK -- warning file count mismatch
>
> 08-Sep 15:51 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12903: Begin pruning Jobs older than 15 days .
> 08-Sep 15:51 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12903: No Jobs found to prune.
> 08-Sep 15:51 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12903: Begin pruning Files.
> 08-Sep 15:51 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12903: No Files found to prune.
> 08-Sep 15:51 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12903: End auto prune.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Heitor Faria <heitor AT bacula.com DOT br> wrote:
>>
>> Kenny,
>>
>> Again it looks like you haven't change the Where variable to a local
>> server directory and kept using: /nas/users/admin/
>> Could you please try any other directory? E. g.: /tmp?
>> NAS can be tricky and its a whole different ACL system. Trying to restore
>> files directly on a mount point may lead you to this error.
>>
>> Regards and good luck,
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've tried all day to restore this file.   Ran 12 restores today.   All
>>> have the same result.   I get an empty file.
>>>
>>> This worked once 3 months ago when I completed a restore of this file to
>>> the original server, but now that server is gone I can't restore the file!
>>>
>>> Sorry to vent my frustration but I've no one else to bounce ideas off.
>>>
>>> --Kenny
>>>
>>> Error:
>>> 08-Sep 15:03 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12902: Start Restore Job
>>> Restore_mail_bluewhale.2014-09-08_15.03.32_04
>>> 08-Sep 15:03 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12902: Using Device "File_bluewhale"
>>> 08-Sep 15:03 BS01-SD1 JobId 12902: Ready to read from volume "mail-0386"
>>> on device "File_bluewhale" (/nas/bacula/bluewhale).
>>> 08-Sep 15:03 BS01-SD1 JobId 12902: Forward spacing Volume "mail-0386" to
>>> file:block 0:219.
>>> 08-Sep 15:25 BS01-SD1 JobId 12902: End of Volume at file 28 on device
>>> "File_bluewhale" (/nas/bacula/bluewhale), Volume "mail-0386"
>>> 08-Sep 15:25 BS01-SD1 JobId 12902: End of all volumes.
>>> 08-Sep 15:04 BS01-FD1 JobId 12902: Error: create_file.c:292 Could not
>>> open /nas/users/admin/backups/data/backups/mail/fifo/mail.tar:
>>> ERR=Interrupted system call
>>> 08-Sep 15:25 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12902: Bacula BS01-DIR1 5.2.2 (26Nov11):
>>>   Build OS:               x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu ubuntu 11.10
>>>   JobId:                  12902
>>>   Job:                    Restore_mail_bluewhale.2014-09-08_15.03.32_04
>>>   Restore Client:         besc-bs01
>>>   Start time:             08-Sep-2014 15:03:34
>>>   End time:               08-Sep-2014 15:25:46
>>>   Files Expected:         1
>>>   Files Restored:         0
>>>   Bytes Restored:         0
>>>   Rate:                   0.0 KB/s
>>>   FD Errors:              0
>>>   FD termination status:  OK
>>>   SD termination status:  OK
>>>   Termination:            Restore OK -- warning file count mismatch
>>>
>>> 08-Sep 15:25 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12902: Begin pruning Jobs older than 15 days
>>> .
>>> 08-Sep 15:25 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12902: No Jobs found to prune.
>>> 08-Sep 15:25 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12902: Begin pruning Files.
>>> 08-Sep 15:25 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12902: No Files found to prune.
>>> 08-Sep 15:25 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12902: End auto prune.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Heitor,
>>>>
>>>> /nas/bacula/bluewhale is a path on besc-bs01.  This is where the Bacula
>>>> backup are put.  mail-0386 is the bacula volume I'm trying to restore.  I'll
>>>> try a local location to restore.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks    --Kenny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Heitor Faria <heitor AT bacula.com DOT br>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Kenny,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this path (/nas/bacula/bluewhale) a path to a NAS mount point in
>>>>> besc-bs01 client? If yes, this might be the cause of the writing error.
>>>>> Did you try to restore to a local client directory? E. g.: /tmp?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry,  failed to include the list...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---Kenny
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>> Date: Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:25 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Restore from dead client
>>>>>> To: Dan Langille <dan AT langille DOT org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gents....  Following instructions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Appreciate your time...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Kenny
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *************************************
>>>>>> Complete screen capture of restore....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *restore
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First you select one or more JobIds that contain files
>>>>>> to be restored. You will be presented several methods
>>>>>> of specifying the JobIds. Then you will be allowed to
>>>>>> select which files from those JobIds are to be restored.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To select the JobIds, you have the following choices:
>>>>>>      1: List last 20 Jobs run
>>>>>>      2: List Jobs where a given File is saved
>>>>>>      3: Enter list of comma separated JobIds to select
>>>>>>      4: Enter SQL list command
>>>>>>      5: Select the most recent backup for a client
>>>>>>      6: Select backup for a client before a specified time
>>>>>>      7: Enter a list of files to restore
>>>>>>      8: Enter a list of files to restore before a specified time
>>>>>>      9: Find the JobIds of the most recent backup for a client
>>>>>>     10: Find the JobIds for a backup for a client before a specified
>>>>>> time
>>>>>>     11: Enter a list of directories to restore for found JobIds
>>>>>>     12: Select full restore to a specified Job date
>>>>>>     13: Cancel
>>>>>> Select item:  (1-13): 3
>>>>>> Enter JobId(s), comma separated, to restore: 12510
>>>>>> You have selected the following JobId: 12510
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Building directory tree for JobId(s) 12510 ...
>>>>>> 1 files inserted into the tree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are now entering file selection mode where you add (mark) and
>>>>>> remove (unmark) files to be restored. No files are initially added,
>>>>>> unless
>>>>>> you used the "all" keyword on the command line.
>>>>>> Enter "done" to leave this mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cwd is: /
>>>>>> $ mark *
>>>>>> 1 file marked.
>>>>>> $ done
>>>>>> Bootstrap records written to /etc/bacula/BS01-DIR1.restore.4.bsr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The job will require the following
>>>>>>    Volume(s)                 Storage(s)                SD Device(s)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===========================================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     mail-0386                 Storage_bluewhale         File_bluewhale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Volumes marked with "*" are online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1 file selected to be restored.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The defined Restore Job resources are:
>>>>>>      1: Restore_os_asterisk
>>>>>>      2: Restore_os_besc-4dvapp
>>>>>>      3: Restore_db_besc-bs01
>>>>>>      4: Restore_os_besc-bs01
>>>>>>      5: Restore_os_besc-unixmgr01
>>>>>>      6: Restore_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>      7: Restore_os_demo
>>>>>>      8: Restore_app_demo
>>>>>>      9: Restore_os_dev
>>>>>>     10: Restore_app_dev
>>>>>>     11: Restore_os_mako
>>>>>>     12: Restore_app_mako
>>>>>> Select Restore Job (1-12): 6
>>>>>> Defined Clients:
>>>>>>      1: asterisk
>>>>>>      2: besc-4dvapp
>>>>>>      3: besc-bs01
>>>>>>      4: besc-unixmgr01
>>>>>>      5: bluewhale
>>>>>>      6: demo
>>>>>>      7: dev
>>>>>>      8: mako
>>>>>>      9: qa
>>>>>>     10: qa2
>>>>>>     11: smart
>>>>>> Select the Client (1-11): 5
>>>>>> Run Restore job
>>>>>> JobName:         Restore_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>> Bootstrap:       /etc/bacula/BS01-DIR1.restore.4.bsr
>>>>>> Where:           *None*
>>>>>> Replace:         always
>>>>>> FileSet:         Full_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>> Backup Client:   bluewhale
>>>>>> Restore Client:  bluewhale
>>>>>> Storage:         Storage_bluewhale
>>>>>> When:            2014-09-08 13:22:56
>>>>>> Catalog:         BS01-Catalog
>>>>>> Priority:        10
>>>>>> Plugin Options:  *None*
>>>>>> OK to run? (yes/mod/no): mod
>>>>>> Parameters to modify:
>>>>>>      1: Level
>>>>>>      2: Storage
>>>>>>      3: Job
>>>>>>      4: FileSet
>>>>>>      5: Restore Client
>>>>>>      6: When
>>>>>>      7: Priority
>>>>>>      8: Bootstrap
>>>>>>      9: Where
>>>>>>     10: File Relocation
>>>>>>     11: Replace
>>>>>>     12: JobId
>>>>>>     13: Plugin Options
>>>>>> Select parameter to modify (1-13): 5
>>>>>> The defined Client resources are:
>>>>>>      1: asterisk
>>>>>>      2: besc-4dvapp
>>>>>>      3: besc-bs01
>>>>>>      4: besc-unixmgr01
>>>>>>      5: bluewhale
>>>>>>      6: demo
>>>>>>      7: dev
>>>>>>      8: mako
>>>>>> Select Client (File daemon) resource (1-8): 3
>>>>>> Run Restore job
>>>>>> JobName:         Restore_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>> Bootstrap:       /etc/bacula/BS01-DIR1.restore.4.bsr
>>>>>> Where:           *None*
>>>>>> Replace:         always
>>>>>> FileSet:         Full_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>> Backup Client:   bluewhale
>>>>>> Restore Client:  besc-bs01
>>>>>> Storage:         Storage_bluewhale
>>>>>> When:            2014-09-08 13:22:56
>>>>>> Catalog:         BS01-Catalog
>>>>>> Priority:        10
>>>>>> Plugin Options:  *None*
>>>>>> OK to run? (yes/mod/no): mod
>>>>>> Parameters to modify:
>>>>>>      1: Level
>>>>>>      2: Storage
>>>>>>      3: Job
>>>>>>      4: FileSet
>>>>>>      5: Restore Client
>>>>>>      6: When
>>>>>>      7: Priority
>>>>>>      8: Bootstrap
>>>>>>      9: Where
>>>>>>     10: File Relocation
>>>>>>     11: Replace
>>>>>>     12: JobId
>>>>>>     13: Plugin Options
>>>>>> Select parameter to modify (1-13): 9
>>>>>> Please enter path prefix for restore (/ for none):
>>>>>> /nas/users/admin/backups
>>>>>> Run Restore job
>>>>>> JobName:         Restore_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>> Bootstrap:       /etc/bacula/BS01-DIR1.restore.4.bsr
>>>>>> Where:           /nas/users/admin/backups
>>>>>> Replace:         always
>>>>>> FileSet:         Full_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>> Backup Client:   bluewhale
>>>>>> Restore Client:  besc-bs01
>>>>>> Storage:         Storage_bluewhale
>>>>>> When:            2014-09-08 13:22:56
>>>>>> Catalog:         BS01-Catalog
>>>>>> Priority:        10
>>>>>> Plugin Options:  *None*
>>>>>> OK to run? (yes/mod/no): yes
>>>>>> Job queued. JobId=12899
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Dan Langille <dan AT langille DOT org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenny:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please run the restore job again and then copy/paste the entire
>>>>>>> session from bcsonole.  Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Heitor Faria <heitor AT bacula.com DOT br>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenny,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok. Sorry for the confusion about the bluewhale client. This is why
>>>>>>> we need your full restore command, to see exactly what's happening..
>>>>>>> You should not change your Backup Client at the restore, even if the
>>>>>>> restore is dead. You should change your Restore Client. It would be nice to
>>>>>>> inform its version too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heitor,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pardon my ignorance, but i don't follow your questions...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My original client "bluewhale" experienced a terrible HD failure
>>>>>>>> thus the need to recover.   I have been changing the "client" and "where"
>>>>>>>> parameters when walking thru the restore procedure.  When the restore
>>>>>>>> process runs it creates the requested file "mail.tar" but there are zero
>>>>>>>> bytes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you get me a bit more to go on I'll gladly share input / output
>>>>>>>> for the request.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks   --Kenny
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Heitor Faria <heitor AT bacula.com DOT br>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kenny,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Could you reproduce the input you used at the restore
>>>>>>>>> submission?
>>>>>>>>> 2. Can you tell the client bluewhale version?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heitor,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!  Thanks for the reply....   I'm utilizing a console and the
>>>>>>>>>> Bacula console and executing a "restore" command then walking thru the
>>>>>>>>>> prompts given.  What is this "run" command?  Yes, I believe I'm trying to
>>>>>>>>>> restore the same file, but it's not working.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks    --Kenny
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Heitor Faria
>>>>>>>>>> <heitor AT bacula.com DOT br> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kenny,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> First of all, are you using the "run" command to submit a prior
>>>>>>>>>>> configured Restore Job? I think this is not advisable, since there are
>>>>>>>>>>> several restore variables that only the "restore" command can fetch.
>>>>>>>>>>> Did you try to restore the same file with the restore command?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply.   I tried this this morning and still
>>>>>>>>>>>> failed the restore.   I see during the Status Storage - Storage_Bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>> where the "Running Jobs section shows Files=0, Bytes=0 Bytes/sec=0.  However
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Device Status section, Device "File_bluewhale" is mounted and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Total Bytes Read and Block Read go up....   Now with the simplefied config
>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems to have lost it's Pool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm confused...  I changed the where to restore to
>>>>>>>>>>>> /nas/users/admin/backups and changed in the client config to remove the fifo
>>>>>>>>>>>> headache...  But it still is trying to use it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the error from the log :

>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 11:51 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12897: Start Restore Job
>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore_mail_bluewhale.2014-09-08_11.51.55_03
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 11:51 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12897: Using Device
>>>>>>>>>>>> "File_bluewhale"
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 11:51 BS01-SD1 JobId 12897: Ready to read from volume
>>>>>>>>>>>> "mail-0386" on device "File_bluewhale" (/nas/bacula/bluewhale).
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 11:51 BS01-SD1 JobId 12897: Forward spacing Volume
>>>>>>>>>>>> "mail-0386" to file:block 0:219.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 12:14 BS01-SD1 JobId 12897: End of Volume at file 28 on
>>>>>>>>>>>> device "File_bluewhale" (/nas/bacula/bluewhale), Volume "mail-0386"
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 12:14 BS01-SD1 JobId 12897: End of all volumes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 11:52 BS01-FD1 JobId 12897: Error: create_file.c:292
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could not open /nas/users/admin/backups/data/backups/mail/fifo/mail.tar:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ERR=Interrupted system call
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 12:14 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12897: Bacula BS01-DIR1 5.2.2
>>>>>>>>>>>> (26Nov11):
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Build OS:               x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu ubuntu 11.10
>>>>>>>>>>>>   JobId:                  12897
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Job:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore_mail_bluewhale.2014-09-08_11.51.55_03
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Restore Client:         besc-bs01
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Start time:             08-Sep-2014 11:51:57
>>>>>>>>>>>>   End time:               08-Sep-2014 12:14:09
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Files Expected:         1
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Files Restored:         0
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Bytes Restored:         0
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Rate:                   0.0 KB/s
>>>>>>>>>>>>   FD Errors:              0
>>>>>>>>>>>>   FD termination status:  OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>   SD termination status:  OK
>>>>>>>>>>>>   Termination:            Restore OK -- warning file count
>>>>>>>>>>>> mismatch
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 12:14 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12897: Begin pruning Jobs older
>>>>>>>>>>>> than 15 days .

>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 12:14 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12897: No Jobs found to prune.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 12:14 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12897: Begin pruning Files.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 12:14 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12897: No Files found to prune.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 08-Sep 12:14 BS01-DIR1 JobId 12897: End auto prune.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What is a file count mismatch?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the status during a restore :
>>>>>>>>>>>> Connecting to Storage daemon Storage_bluewhale at
>>>>>>>>>>>> 10.10.10.199:9103
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BS01-SD1 Version: 5.2.2 (26 November 2011)
>>>>>>>>>>>> x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu ubuntu 11.10
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daemon started 08-Sep-14 11:48. Jobs: run=0, running=0.
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Heap: heap=598,016 smbytes=386,922 max_bytes=405,712 bufs=947
>>>>>>>>>>>> max_bufs=949
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Sizes: boffset_t=8 size_t=8 int32_t=4 int64_t=8 mode=0,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Running Jobs:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reading: Full Restore job Restore_mail_bluewhale JobId=12897
>>>>>>>>>>>> Volume="mail-0386"
>>>>>>>>>>>>     pool="Pool_mail_bluewhale" device="File_bluewhale"
>>>>>>>>>>>> (/nas/bacula/bluewhale)
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Files=0 Bytes=0 Bytes/sec=0
>>>>>>>>>>>>     FDReadSeqNo=6 in_msg=6 out_msg=84529 fd=6
>>>>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jobs waiting to reserve a drive:
>>>>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Terminated Jobs:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  JobId  Level    Files      Bytes   Status   Finished
>>>>>>>>>>>> Name
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===================================================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12889  Incr         31    67.94 M  OK       08-Sep-14 00:01
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backup_os_besc-unixmgr01
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12891  Full          4    501.0 M  OK       08-Sep-14 00:05
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backup_app_dev
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12888  Incr        437    1.158 G  OK       08-Sep-14 00:06
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backup_os_besc-bs01
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12890  Incr          0         0   Other    08-Sep-14 00:30
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backup_os_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12893  Full          0         0   Other    08-Sep-14 01:30
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backup_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12884  Full   2,361,101    154.6 G  OK       08-Sep-14 04:46
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backup_os_mako
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12892  Full          4    54.40 G  OK       08-Sep-14 05:56
>>>>>>>>>>>> Backup_app_mako
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12894                0         0   OK       08-Sep-14 08:53
>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12895                0         0   OK       08-Sep-14 09:28
>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>  12896                0         0   OK       08-Sep-14 10:10
>>>>>>>>>>>> Restore_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device status:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_asterisk" (/nas/bacula/asterisk) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_besc-4dvapp" (/nas/bacula/besc-4dvapp) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_besc-bs01" (/nas/bacula/besc-bs01) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_besc-unixmgr01" (/nas/bacula/besc-unixmgr01) is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_bluewhale" (/nas/bacula/bluewhale) is mounted with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Volume:      mail-0386
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Pool:        *unknown*
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Media type:  NAS_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Total Bytes Read=1,121,412,096 Blocks Read=17,383
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bytes/block=64,512
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Positioned at File=0 Block=1,121,412,275
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_demo" (/nas/bacula/demo) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_dev" (/nas/bacula/dev) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_mako" (/nas/bacula/mako) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_qa" (/nas/bacula/qa) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_qa2" (/nas/bacula/qa2) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Device "File_smart" (/nas/bacula/smart) is not open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Used Volume status:
>>>>>>>>>>>> mail-0386 on device "File_bluewhale" (/nas/bacula/bluewhale)
>>>>>>>>>>>>     Reader=1 writers=0 devres=0 volinuse=1
>>>>>>>>>>>> mail-0386 read volume JobId=12897
>>>>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ====
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is my simplified client config:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #********************************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>> # bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> #********************************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Client {
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Name                   = bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Address                = bluewhale.bnesystems.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Catalog                = BS01-Catalog
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Password               = "xxxxxxxxx"
>>>>>>>>>>>>       FileRetention          = 365 days
>>>>>>>>>>>>       JobRetention           = 365 days
>>>>>>>>>>>>       AutoPrune              = yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>       MaximumConcurrentJobs  = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Job {
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Name                   = Restore_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       FileSet                = Full_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Type                   = Restore
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Pool                   = Pool_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Client                 = bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Messages               = Standard
>>>>>>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Pool {
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Name                   = Pool_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       PoolType               = Backup
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Storage                = Storage_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       MaximumVolumeJobs      = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>       CatalogFiles           = yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>       AutoPrune              = yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>       VolumeRetention        = 365 days
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Recycle                = yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>       LabelFormat            = "mail-"
>>>>>>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Storage {
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Name                   = Storage_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Address                = 10.10.10.199
>>>>>>>>>>>>       SDPort                 = 9103
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Password               = "xxxxxxx"
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Device                 = File_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       MediaType              = NAS_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       MaximumConcurrentJobs  = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>>>>>>    FileSet {
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Name = Full_mail_bluewhale
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Include {
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Options {
>>>>>>>>>>>>             signature=SHA1
>>>>>>>>>>>> #            readfifo=yes
>>>>>>>>>>>>          }
>>>>>>>>>>>>          File="/mail.tar"
>>>>>>>>>>>>       }
>>>>>>>>>>>>    }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the help.   I appreciate all the input.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --Kenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Dan Langille <dan AT langille DOT org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest removing the before & after scripts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan Langille
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://langille.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Sep 6, 2014, at 8:38 PM, Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Appreciate the reply....   Yes this is exactly what I want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > However when I try to just do a "simple" restore, the job
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > finishes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > with the error previously given.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Any suggestions to do this would be appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Thanks    --Kenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Dan Langille
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <dan AT langille DOT org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Kenny Noe <knoe501 AT gmail DOT com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Birre,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Thanks for the reply.   I guess this is where I get lost...

>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> The fifo is reading a file that was created in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> pre-process called
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> mail.tar.  The mail.tar is made from the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> directories /opt/zimbra
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> and /var/mail/zimbra.  This is where the Zimbra files and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> mailstore were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> kept.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> This pre-process is a script that has this :
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> MailBackup.bash
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> #!/bin/bash
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> exec >/dev/null
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> MKDIR="/bin/mkdir"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> MKFIFO="/usr/bin/mkfifo"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> RM="/bin/rm"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> TAR="/bin/tar"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> DEFCODE=0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> DUMPBASE="/data/backups"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> errCode=${DEFCODE}
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> mailDir="/var/mail/zimbra"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> zimbraDir="/opt/zimbra"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Main()
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   {
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   service zimbra stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   RunMailRestore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   service zimbra start
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   ExitScript ${errCode}
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   }
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> RunMailRestore()
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   {
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   EXTENSION=".tar"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   dumpDir="${DUMPBASE}/mail"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   fifoDir="${dumpDir}/fifo"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   RebuildFifoDir
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   ${MKFIFO} ${fifoDir}/mail${EXTENSION}
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   ${TAR} -xpf ${fifoDir}/mail${EXTENSION} 2>&1 </dev/null &
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   }
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> RebuildFifoDir()
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   {
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   if [ -d ${fifoDir} ]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>      ${RM} -rf ${fifoDir}
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   fi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   ${MKDIR} -p ${fifoDir}
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   }
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> ExitScript()
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   {
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   exit ${1}
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>   }
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Main
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> The restore script simply does a tar xpf instead of a tar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> cpf.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Perhaps instead of doing that, just restore the data, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> then do the tar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> xpf later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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