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Re: [ADSM-L] Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end only)

2018-01-04 09:46:12
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end only)
From: "Loon, Eric van (ITOPT3) - KLM" <Eric-van.Loon AT KLM DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 14:44:42 +0000
In fact a q server f=d shows Session Security: Transitional, but each time I 
log on to the server using the admin command line, my admin userid is getting 
updated from transitional to strict! Upd admin transitional works but as soon 
as I log on it's being switched back to Strict.
Kind regards,
Eric van Loon
Air France/KLM Storage Engineering


-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of 
Zoltan Forray
Sent: donderdag 4 januari 2018 15:03
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end only)

>>>admin to sessionsecurity=transitional (strange, this should be the
default...) and now I could start a session successful.

I concur. I remember having this same problem when I upgraded my test server to 
8.1.3 eventhough the docs say "transitional" is the default.

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:42 AM, Loon, Eric van (ITOPT3) - KLM < Eric-van.Loon 
AT klm DOT com> wrote:

> Hi Del,
> Well, not really... I'm currently installing a 7.1.8 server and 
> noticed that I could no longer use a 7.1.7 admin commandline:
>
> ANR0404W Session 22 for administrator ADMIN (Linux x86-64) refused - 
> client is down-level with this server version.
>
> So I upgraded it to 7.1.8, but it was still not working:
>
> On the client side: ANS1592E Failed to initialize SSL protocol.
> On the server side: ANR3335W Unable to distribute certificate to 
> KLM35757 for session 24.
>
> So I updated my admin to sessionsecurity=transitional (strange, this 
> should be the default...) and now I could start a session successful. 
> I tried the same admin account on another TSM client and again On the 
> client
> side: ANS1592E Failed to initialize SSL protocol. A q admin f=d showed 
> that sessionsecurity was again set to strict! I'm lost...
> Kind regards,
> Eric van Loon
> Air France/KLM Storage Engineering
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf 
> Of Del Hoobler
> Sent: donderdag 4 januari 2018 13:45
> To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end only)
>
> Here are a few links that might help:
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSEQVQ_8.1.
> 2/srv.install/r_srv_knowsec-aix.html
>
> http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg22004844
>
>
>
> Del
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
> "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU> wrote on 01/04/2018
> 03:37:53 AM:
>
> > From: "Loon, Eric van (ITOPT3) - KLM" <Eric-van.Loon AT KLM DOT COM>
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Date: 01/04/2018 03:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end 
> > only) Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
> >
> > I too read all the previous posts, but I still don't know what to do.
> > Your mail also indicates that your upgrade planning is based on 
> > several assumptions and I think it is really time for IBM to jump in 
> > here. I think someone from development should explain a little bit 
> > about the new security design and tell us how we should upgrade 
> > without impact. Which components in which order to which recommended
> level.
> > Kind regards,
> > Eric van Loon
> > Air France/KLM Storage Engineering
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On 
> > Behalf Of Deschner, Roger Douglas
> > Sent: donderdag 4 januari 2018 0:14
> > To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
> > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end 
> > only)
> >
> > Test! Test! Test! Search this forum for previous posts about this.
> > There are a bunch of gotchas. Perhaps one of the most severe is what 
> > happens to administrator IDS. Create some dummy admin IDS to use in 
> > testing, because you can permanently disable your own admin ID if 
> > you're not careful. We also know there will be library sharing gotchas.
> >
> > We're actually going to do the backup servers first - after thorough 
> > testing. We think we can minimize the risk to things like admin IDS 
> > if we upgrade the servers with NO clients yet on 7.1.8. I think that 
> > having 7.1.8 clients around will greatly complicate the process of 
> > upgrading the servers, especially if any of those 7.1.8 clients are 
> > the desktop workstations used by you and your coworkers. It's 
> > possible that when you do eventually upgrade your servers to 7.1.8, 
> > you'll have to backtrack to each client and manually install new SSL 
> > keys, on all client systems, all at once. I hope that cat-herding 
> > nightmare can be avoided by upgrading servers first, which will then 
> > manage key distribution among clients more gracefully, as they 
> > upgrade to 7.1.8 one at a time. If I'm wrong about any of this, please 
> > chime in.
> >
> > This thing has a big effect. Careful testing is necessary.
> >
> > Roger Deschner
> > University of Illinois at Chicago
> > "I have not lost my mind - it is backed up on tape somewhere."
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Skylar Thompson <skylar2 AT U.WASHINGTON DOT EDU>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 16:19
> > Subject: Re: Should I upgrade to 7.1.8.x ??? (on the client end 
> > only)
> >
> >  Content preview:  I believe the incompatibility arises if you set 
> > SESSIONSECURITY
> >     to STRICT for your nodes. The default is TRANSITIONAL so you 
> > should be fine;
> >     IIRC the only communication problems we had when upgrading our
> servers to
> >     v7.1.8 was with library sharing. [...]
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> > I believe the incompatibility arises if you set SESSIONSECURITY to 
> > STRICT for your nodes. The default is TRANSITIONAL so you should be 
> > fine; IIRC the only communication problems we had when upgrading our 
> > servers to v7.1.8 was with library sharing.
> >
> > That said, v7.1.8 was a huge change so I would test it if possible
> first.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 05:12:44PM -0500, Tom Alverson wrote:
> > > Thanks for that link, I am more worried about any "gotcha's" 
> > > caused by
>
> > > upgrading the client to 7.1.8 or 8.1.2 before the storage servers get
> > > upgraded (and start using the new authentication).   What I had not
> > > realized until I saw the chart is that the new clients are NOT 
> > > backward compatible with old storage servers (which doesn't really 
> > > affect me since we have those all at 7.1.7.2 now).
> > >
> > >
> > > *IBM SPECTRUM PROTECT CLIENT SUPPORT*
> > >
> > > includes the Backup-Archive, API, UNIX HSM, and Web clients that 
> > > are compatible with, and currently supported with, IBM Spectrum 
> > > Protect Servers and Storage Agents.
> > > *IBM Spectrum Protect*
> > > *Client Version*
> > > *Supported IBM Spectrum Protect*
> > > *Server and Storage Agent Versions*
> > > 8.1.2
> > > 8.1, 7.1
> > > 8.1.0
> > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1
> > > 7.1.8
> > > 8.1, 7.1
> > > 7.1
> > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1
> > > 6.4 1
> > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1
> > > 6.3 1, 2
> > > 8.1, 7.1, 6.3.x 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 4:42 PM, Skylar Thompson 
> > > <skylar2 AT u.washington DOT edu>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > There's pretty wide version compatibility between clients and 
> > > > servers; we didn't go v7 server-side until pretty recently but 
> > > > have been running the v7 client for a while. IBM has a matrix 
> > > > published
> here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21053218
> > > >
> > > > For basic backups and restores I think you can deviate even 
> > > > more, but obviously you won't get support.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 03:14:24PM -0500, Tom Alverson wrote:
> > > > > Our TSM storage servers were all upgraded last year to 7.1.7.2 
> > > > > (before
> > > > this
> > > > > new security update came out).   Now I am wondering if I should
> start
> > > > using
> > > > > the updated client or not?   If the servers stay at 7.1.7.2 for
> now is
> > > > > there any harm in using the newer client?  I would have to use
> > > > > 7.1.8.0 on anything older than 2012.  I saw some email traffic 
> > > > > earlier that once you use the new authentication mode on a 
> > > > > node you can't go back?  But it
> > > > seems
> > > > > that would not be possible until our storage servers get upgraded.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any downside in my case (where the storage servers 
> > > > > are still at
> > > > > 7.1.7.2) of using the latest client versions in the interim??
> > > > > Our
> > > > current
> > > > > standard client versions now are 7.1.6.4 for 2008 and older, 
> > > > > and
> > > > > 8.1.0.0 (yes the horrible buggy one) on newer servers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -- Skylar Thompson (skylar2 AT u.washington DOT edu)
> > > > -- Genome Sciences Department, System Administrator
> > > > -- Foege Building S046, (206)-685-7354
> > > > -- University of Washington School of Medicine
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > -- Skylar Thompson (skylar2 AT u.washington DOT edu)
> > -- Genome Sciences Department, System Administrator
> > -- Foege Building S046, (206)-685-7354
> > -- University of Washington School of Medicine
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