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Re: [ADSM-L] SAN hardware hints

2015-01-09 08:45:14
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] SAN hardware hints
From: "Rhodes, Richard L." <rrhodes AT FIRSTENERGYCORP DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:43:07 +0000
We use EMC storage.  Most of our TSM databases and disk pools are on VNX/VNX2.  
In general we like them, especially since they came out with the VNX2 - they 
finally have enough processor power to drive the array.  

We use all fat luns.  We have a charge back system for storage and thin 
provisioning doesn't fit well with charge back.  I don't see that it would 
really matter with TSM.  I would think you would fatten out any thin luns 
fairly quickly as you use your pools.  My understanding is that there is a 
small performance hit as you do initial writes as it allocates backend storage, 
but that's a one time hit. We use all raw volumes for disk pools volumes.  If 
you use OS level files for disk pool volumes, don't you have to format them 
first?  That would fatten up any think vols right then!  For DB2 files, thin 
luns would be good since DB2 allocates files as needed.

All your VNX storage will be in a big VNX pool stripped across all the disks, 
so you get lots of spindles/heads working for you.  

We do purchase some SSD storage for Fast Cache on each VNX.  EMC keeps wanting 
us to use VNX FAST VP to migrate hot spots up onto SSD storage, but we've 
stayed away from that.  I believe the slice/chunk size that FAST VP moves is 
256MB.  That's a very large hot spot chunk.   We've been using FAST CACHE - 
just a normal read type cache - that caches in 64k chunks.  This seem a much 
better use of the SSD.

On some VNX2 systems we use snapshots - mostly for databases.  They have a new 
snapshot type that performs a redirect-on-write which supposedly much more 
efficient than the older type which uses copy-on-write. 

What we don't like about the VNX is performance tools.  Yes they have them - 
even give some away free.  But when you start to use them to dig they come up 
lacking.

We've had some problems with some AIX and Windows 2008 systems surviving a 
microcode upgrade.  The upgrade process reboots one SP, then the other.  
There's a gap between the reboots, but sometimes some servers don't recover 
paths before the second SP reboot.  We've been working with support about this, 
but they haven't been exactly responsive.

Support - it's all been moved overseas, and can be anything from good to bad.  
It can be very frustrating.  


Rick














-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of 
Vandeventer, Harold [OITS]
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 3:56 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: SAN hardware hints

I've just learned we'll be migrating our systems to new SAN hardware; 
specifically EMC VNX.

A little reading indicates some features such as thin-provisioning vs thick- 
provisioning of LUNs will be available.

Anyone out there using EMC VNX for their TSM storage pools and/or database 
LUNs?  Any hints about thin vs thick regarding TSM performance?

Thanks.

------------------------------------------------------------
Harold Vandeventer
Systems Programmer
State of Kansas - Office of Information Technology Services
STE 751-S
910 SW Jackson
(785) 296-0631


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