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Re: [nv-l] MIB data collection questions

2005-05-25 12:03:54
Subject: Re: [nv-l] MIB data collection questions
From: justin_eagleson AT bankone DOT com
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Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:03:15 -0400
Thanks Jim. I turned up tracing and verbose and started collecting again 
on sysUpTime, and got the following in /usr/OV/log/snmpCol.trace:

___________________________________________________________________

Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : No wildcarding specified, checking specified 
nodes for collection...
Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : collectionCheck passed nodename 
ino0s295.svr.bankone.net

Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : doCollectionCheck passed nodename 
ino0s295.svr.bankone.net

Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : ino0s295.svr.bankone.net unmanaged: not 
checking (use -u option to check)
Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : Finished checking collection nodes
Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 :

START DISPLAY DATA COLLECTOR CONFIGURATION

        Tracing: enabled (verbose)
        deferSNMPMinutes: 60
        configured via /usr/OV/conf/snmpCol.conf
        0 of 5 concurrent SNMP requests in use
        logging data to directory "/usr/OV/databases/snmpCollect/"
        sbrk (memory size): 0x200d3920

Host Information:

Per MIB Object Information:
#1    ifOutUcastPkts (.1.3.6.1.2.1.2.2.1.17) units COUNTER
        SmartSet configuration:
                Routers interval:1200 All instances

#2    sysUpTime (.1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3) units TIMETICKS
        node configuration:
                ino0s295.svr.bankone.net interval:120 All instances


Per Collection Information:

END DISPLAY DATA COLLECTOR CONFIGURATION

Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : collectionCheck passed nodename 
ino0s295.svr.bankone.net

Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : doCollectionCheck passed nodename 
ino0s295.svr.bankone.net

Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : ino0s295.svr.bankone.net unmanaged: not 
checking (use -u option to check)
Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : Nothing to collect.  If you expect data to be
        collected, check that the nodes selected for collection
        support SNMP, are up and managed, respond to SNMP, and that
        the configured collections are correct and not suspended.
Wed May 25 11:16:18 2005 : before select(5,3600.000000s):
__________________________________________________________

So does this mean the node is still not "managed", so the collection is 
skipping it? I right-clicked the server object for 
"ino0s295.svr.bankone.net" and selected Options->Manage to turn the symbol 
green, but it still gives me the same error.

Thanks and Regards,

Justin Eagleson
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Well, offhand I don't see a problem.

What I would do is use xnmcollect (the GUI)  and suspend that collection.
Then issue first "snmpCollect -T" from the command line to turn on full
tracing, and then "snmpCollect -V" to make it verbose.
Then use xnmcollect again to resume that collection, but lower the 
interval
to 2 minutes (you are testing after all).
Then wait for three minutes and go examine /usr/OV/log/snmpCol.trace.  If
there are problems, he should spell them out in detail.

James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group


 
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Oops...emails crossed...

MIB .1.3.6.1.2.1.1.3 sysUpTime units TIMETICKS R
C ino0s295.svr.bankone.net 1200 0.000000 0.000000 xA s 58720263 ALL -

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OK that's half of it.  Preceding this entry is the one which spells out
the
MIB instance which will be collected.  It starts with the word "MIB"

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Sorry, it's Friday (no excuse :) )

>From /usr/OV/conf/snmpCol.conf:

C ino0s295.svr.bankone.net 1200 0.000000 0.000000 xA s 58720263 ALL -

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Show us what's in /usr/OV/conf/snmpCol.conf for this entry

James Shanks
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Sorry left a critical piece of info out - I can also do a "test" SNMP
collection against the sysUpTime value, and it tests fine and I get the
value, and it says it will collect for "0 instances"... which I find
odd...

does that mean it will never collect even though I have it set to "ALL"
instances in the config? Not sure what I'm missing here...

Thanks,

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Justin Eagleson
05/20/2005 03:48 PM

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In addition, I'm having an issue setting up the MIB data collection that
I'm hoping someone has a quick answer to. I've followed the steps in the
Admin Guide, but can't seem to get this to work.

This is Netview 7.1.4 on AIX 4.3.3:

So far I've done the following:

I have a Solaris server running snmpd.
I seeded it and verified it was added to the map
I can do a test SNMP GET on it fine.
I loaded a MIB, host-resources-mib.mib, to collect against.
I configured Collection on a basic MIB value, sysUpTime, set it to
Collect, 5m freq, All instances, Store without Thresholds.
I right-clicked and selected "Manage" on the server object

When I look at snmpCol.trace, the data collection never begins, instead it
says:

Fri May 20 15:11:19 2005 : Initializing for data collection...

Fri May 20 15:11:19 2005 : Nothing to collect.  If you expect data to be
        collected, check that the nodes selected for collection
        support SNMP, are up and managed, respond to SNMP, and that
        the configured collections are correct and not suspended.

I triple-checked all of the configuration, and restarted snmpCollect,
netmon several times, and also did an ovstop/kill OV processes/ovstart to
be sure. Still getting the same message in snmpCol.trace.

What am I missing?

TIA,

Justin Eagleson
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Thanks again Leslie, Channing and everyone else who reply directly and
through the mail list. Your real-life experiences are invaluable.

Thanks and regards,

Justin Eagleson
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You did not say what platform you are running on. I can only really
address Unix (AIX). As for scalability, I think the capacity limitation is

more on the devices being polled than on the Netview server. How busy are
they, and how much data can they spit out given the timeouts and retries
you specify. A few mib variables every 5 minutes can be a lot what with
today's devices having hundreds of interfaces. Many of the values you are
likely to want to poll are mib expressions like bandwidth utilization,
involving several mib variables, so that's another multiplier.

Netview does a nice job of combining the requests into bundles, and can
limit the size of the request, making multiple trips if necessary. This
makes it relatively efficient.

If you are talking hundreds of devices with hundreds of interfaces each
and want to poll in the 5 minute range, I would not feel positive. In the
15 minute range, I'd say maybe, if the box is big enough for everything
else going on. For thousands of devices and only a couple of mib values
every 15 minutes, that's probably ok too.

I have seldom seen the snmpCollect daemon hogging the cpu unless something

silly was configured.

I will say, however, that I am finding it less usable these days for data
collection on high-speed interfaces. The Counter32 datatypes it supports
cannot handle the rollovers. In fact, at some sites the Counter64
datatypes would not help. I see the rmon mib now has tables for reporting
counter rollovers, so you can monitor those instead of the actual counts.
Amazing.

So, let's hear it, everyone. What are you collecting, on how many
interfaces, how often, on what hardware, and what's the bottleneck?

Cordially,

Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
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Does anyone care to share their experiences (good or bad) using Netview to


poll SNMP nodes for MIB data collection? Specifically, Netview 7.1.4, and
storing the MIB data in a flat file. How scalable was it? How many nodes
at what interval? On what hardware was Netview running?

Any information is appreciated.

Regards,

Justin Eagleson
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