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Re: [nv-l] Garbage attached to list post (was RE: [nv-l] Managing devices via their web interface)

2003-08-15 09:02:37
Subject: Re: [nv-l] Garbage attached to list post (was RE: [nv-l] Managing devices via their web interface)
From: James Shanks <jshanks AT us.ibm DOT com>
To: "Zlatko Krastev" <acit AT attglobal DOT net>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 08:51:00 -0400

All I wanted to do was to indicate that Bernard should not be flamed for this incident.  Neither he nor his company is responsible for what happened.
If you have suggestions about how the nv-l list should be handled, they should be sent to the list owner, which is not me.
Only the owner could implement such changes, if anyone can, using the software he has available at the moment.
Try  nv-l-owner AT lists.tivoli DOT com.

James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group



"Zlatko Krastev" <acit AT attglobal DOT net>

08/14/2003 06:29 PM

       
        To:        James Shanks/Raleigh/[email protected]
        cc:        nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com
        Subject:        [nv-l] Garbage attached to list post (was RE: [nv-l] Managing devices via their web interface)



As the mail server serving the list is striping down all "Received:"
headers I cannot investigate the actual source of the offending message.
The only source is (unreliable) "From:" header.
But mailer-identification header also came through and had the value of
"Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.52)". This ought to explain why even the
first (short) message instead of actual zip-file attachment was delivered
in my Lotus Notes with nearly useless file named "attkjuba.dat". The
question why I receive such garbage only from Exchange users is
rhetorical.

16 months ago I've complained on tme10 list about couple of posts/replies
with large files attached. As result the list-owner set a limit on the
message size. Since then tme10 is just fine.

On ADSM-L list the things are even better:
-       list server does not stripe the headers and the investigation who
is retransmitting particular message can be performed.
-       list distribution application is a lot smarter and compares new
messages with recently distributed ones, effectively eliminating
duplicates!!!

Probably you cannot move the list to VM, but message size limit ought to
be easy to implement.

Zlatko Krastev
IT Consultant






James Shanks <jshanks AT us.ibm DOT com>
14.08.2003 23:52


       To:     nv-l AT lists.tivoli DOT com
       cc:
       Subject:        RE: [nv-l] Managing devices via their web interface



Folks,
I don't believe that it was Bernard's mail server that was at fault here.
True, he inadvertently caused the problem by adding attachments to his
note to the list, but it was not his mail server that kept returning them.
Rather some other person subscribed to the list had a server which
returned the original note, complete with its attachments, back to the
list, after having added other attachments of its own indicating that it
did not like getting the original ones.     Since this was posted to the
list, the list then sent that out to all subscribers, including the server
which returned the fist note.  It promptly returned the second and the
cycle continued.  I don't know what ultimately stopped it.  Perhaps that
server is now blocking mail for that user; I don't know.  But  I do know
that I looked at the extended addressing in some of the notes I got and I
think I know whose mail server it was , and it was not Bernard's.  I won't
point fingers on the list but I will say that we should all avoid
attaching anything for just this reason.  If you want to share files, you
should do it directly and not thru the list.!  It's just not set up for
this, and apparently neither are some of the other subscribers.


James Shanks
Level 3 Support  for Tivoli NetView for UNIX and Windows
Tivoli Software / IBM Software Group

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