Note that you can also fool Netview into doing this for you by putting the
two addresses in the /etc/hosts file (assuming you are using hosts as the
primary name resolver) with the same exact name. Delete the low-level
objects it already found and rediscover them. Whether you call this
clever or stupid, it is at least predictable. It will get them on the map,
but
you can do little else with them without SNMP.

You should have SNMP access, and read is sufficient, for any device you
are expected to manage. SNMP means simple network management
protocol. If you are being asked to managed these devices, you are
on solid ground to request snmp access. If 'they' don't want to give it to
you, then you have a business process problem. If it is insurmountable
(eg the router belongs to another group or company, and is on the edge
of your realm), then you have to resort to the 'fake router' solution that
Steve describes. You will only know up/down status.

Cordially,

Leslie A. Clark
IBM Global Services - Systems Mgmt & Networking
(248) 552-4968 Voicemail, Fax, Pager


---------------------- Forwarded by Leslie Clark/Southfield/IBM on
01/17/2000 01:08 PM ---------------------------

Steve Francis <steve.francis AT COMMSERV.UCSB DOT EDU>@UCSBVM.UCSB.EDU> on
01/14/2000 07:20:02 PM

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Subject:  Re: Router mgt



If you manually add interfaces to one of the existing router interface
objects,
Netview is clever enough to delete the other interfaces with same address,
and add
the router to the IP map level.

That's not very clear:
i.e. with no snmp, Netview will have found these objects:
COmputer1, Ip address 1.1.1.1
Computer 2, IP address 2.2.2.2


These are in fact the IP addresses of your router.
If you double click on COMputer1 symbol, then edit add object, and add an
interface
with ip address 2.2.2.2
Netview will convert Computer1 symbol to a router symbol, add it to the IP
level
map, and remove computer2 symbol.

But clearly, getting SNMP access to these things is much better.


James Shanks wrote:

> Without SNMP NetView will never see these routers as routers.  Instead he
will
> treat every interface as a separate node because he will not know to tie
them
> together in one box and thus will not know it is a router.  My guess is
that you
> are already getting generic nodes for these "devices" on the various
submaps and
> that is why you do not see a "router" on the IP Internet map.    This is
covered
> in detail in the NetView Diagnosis manual.
>
> James Shanks
> Tivoli (NetView for UNIX) L3 Support
>
> Muni Chatarpal <munic AT LUCENT DOT COM> on 01/14/2000 03:58:31 PM
>
> Please respond to Discussion of IBM NetView and POLYCENTER Manager on
NetView
>       <NV-L AT UCSBVM.UCSB DOT EDU>
>
> To:   NV-L AT UCSBVM.UCSB DOT EDU
> cc:    (bcc: James Shanks/Tivoli Systems)
> Subject:  Router mgt
>
> I am trying to populate on my Netview map 3 routers that I can
successfully
> PING but does not have snmp access to.  Is this possible ?  Or do I need
to
> have al least SNMP read access to the routers for Netview to put on my
map ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Muni.