We've been doing mirror copy and mount to alternate media server for backup of 
flat files for years and don't have the problems you describe.   We did it 
previously using EMC's BCV and for the past couple of years using Hitachi's 
Shadow Image.

The main reason we do it is to minimize downtime on the Production database.   
By doing the mirroring we can start the synchronization of the mirrors long 
before the actual split of the mirrors without impacting Production.   Once we 
are ready to split the mirrors we can put the database into hot backup mode (6 
nights a week) for a short period of time, split the mirrors and take it out of 
hot backup mode.   1 night a week we actually stop the DB to do a "cold" backup 
and do the split.   The split operation takes a very short period of time as 
compared to how long we would have to have a database in hot backup mode or 
down to do a full backup directly from the live Production server.

We do NOT have the single point of failure you describe because we do have the 
Production server and our Dev/Test servers as media servers as well.   When 
refreshing Dev/Test databases we simply change the FORCE_RESTORE_MEDIA_SERVER 
in bp.conf to make it restore files backed up from our backup media server to 
the target Dev/Test server.     We would do similar to restore the Production 
server should the need arise.    You really don't want to have to restore your 
huge database across LAN from a backup media server to your production server.

Also just because you are doing mirroring and alternate server backup doesn't 
mean ALL of your Production DBs have to go to a single alternate server.   In 
our environment we have several major database we consider Production and most 
of those have associated Dev/Test servers so we could use the latter for the 
backups if necessary.

Additionally you can (and should) run multiple streams for your backups to 
shorten your backup (and therefore restore) times.






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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of dy018
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:43 PM
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Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backup using Storage Level Flash for DB (FC,BC,SI)

Hi Guys,

Anyone currently deploy any form of backup using the mirror copy from the SAN 
and mounted to an alternate host or media server to backup the flat DB files?

IMO, such setup should remain as fast backup and recovery for adhoc, emergency 
purposes and not use for daily backup.

The advantages i heard had for such backup is to free up the server IO during 
the backup but not all server IO wait causing by backup stream for RMAN which 
can be controlled should not be a problem. If the DB size is a concern, 
introducing regular incremental rman dump to disk or tape should be sufficient 
and perform a full rman dump maybe once a week?

I see many disadvantages of using storage level mirroring for backup for the 
following reason

1. If you have 10 DB servers using one SAN client or media server to perform 
its backup, this create a single point of failure for all server using it to 
backup.

2. If the source LUN having some fsck issue, it will affect the backup as well 
as it will always prompt to perform a fsck on the mirror LUN each time they 
perform a sync and break. If because of one redo log LUN having issue and 
causing the rest of LUNs not able to backup as usually this type of backup are 
pre scripted and if you perform checks, the netbackup will failed with status 
73.

3. Create operation issue during restoration for big backup environment. DBA or 
system admin who wants to restore will usually provide the DB hostname as the 
source in their restore request form however, if the backup team or operator 
who performs the restore needs to know this source hostname DB backup was 
perform by another server and need to select the correct hostname in the 
restore GUI, if the actual hostname was place, the catelog may only have the OS 
backup images found.

4. Create many steps for admin when adding of new LUN or increase or existing 
LUN on the current DB LUN that is on backup.
Steps such as creating new LUN, creating mirror LUN,  ensure the media server 
is able to perform some device scan to see the new luns, editing script to 
perform sync on the LUNs, etc. If any of these wont done in one go, the backup 
will be affected due to production storage requirement which should not be 
dependant at all IMO.

5. No granulate restore as they are flat files level backup as compare to RMAN.

6. Require additional space on the server for the DB files to be restored.

7. Involved more resource to come up with the script. (Storage admin for 
breaking/resync mirror LUN, DBA for begin and end backup mode, system admin to 
come up with sudo script.)

8. Complicated when it comes to troubleshooting as explain in item 6. Any of 
the script change can cause backup failure or invalid backup.

9. Create different proxy or san media server due to different filesystem? If 
the DB is using ASM or VXFS, the server mounting the volume need to have the 
exact same filesystem hence create inflexiblity.

I hope to hear any of you whom had similar setup in your enviornment and what 
are your feeling towards such backup method?

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