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Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup

2010-07-27 16:29:58
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup
From: "Martin, Jonathan" <JMARTI05 AT intersil DOT com>
To: "Shawn Plummer" <plummer AT geneseo DOT edu>, "VERITAS-BU AT MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN DOT EDU" <VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:29:57 -0400

We get poor performance (4MB/sec) performance running NFS mounts on our FAS 2040, but we’ve found we can run many simultaneous streams and get that into the 20+MB/sec range. We’ve got one Sun device we run 16 simultaneous NFS streams on that pushes 30MB/sec. Have you tried hitting multiple mounts with individual streams at the same time to get better CIFS performance?

 

-Jonathan

 

From: veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu [mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Shawn Plummer
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:37 AM
To: VERITAS-BU AT MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NDMP backups from Netapp using Netbackup

 

 

We used to get HORRIBLE (8MB/s ish) performance doing CIFS backups of our NetApp filer, and I was pretty sure Symantec recommended against doing our backups that way (this was 3 years ago or so). We do backup exclusively to tape though so maybe that makes the difference.

 

Also I didn’t think NTFS permissions were restored correctly when using CIFs shares as your backup source.

 

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Shawn Plummer

Systems Manager

CIT SUNY Geneseo

"The mind can make substance, and people planets of its own with beings brighter than have been, and give a breath to forms which can outlive all flesh." -Lord Byron

 

On Jul 27, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Ed Wilts wrote:



On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Len Boyle <Len.Boyle AT sas DOT com> wrote:

With the new backup support for what was called pure disk the backup data is going to disk and only the changed blocks. But if I understand things the netapp would have to have code installed on it that would understand the pure disk api.

What Symantec is actually recommending now is to use a traditional Unix or Windows client and NFS-mount or CIFS-mount the data.  Then do your normal backups to a PureDisk storage unit and do continuous incrementals and synthetic fulls.  With the new PD code, a synthetic full only does pointer changes so they got like a bat out of...

As an extra bonus, because you're using a non-NDMP client, you can restore the file to anywhere, not just the same NDMP type of host that you started from. 

As a double-added bonus, a Unix or Windows license (list $2,595 to $6,095 for x86/x64 clients) is a LOT cheaper than  an NDMP license, especially if you a have big filer (list $3,500 to $15,500). 

The de-dupe option is VERY pricey though at $5k per front-end TB (MSRP).  In our environment, we're about 180TB of used space at the moment.  The list price of backup it all up with de-dupe would top a million bucks with the media servers and the de-dupe licenses.  And that doesn't include the disk to put it to.

   .../Ed

Ed Wilts, RHCE, BCFP, BCSD, SCSP, SCSE
ewilts AT ewilts DOT org

 

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