Re: [Veritas-bu] Auburn vs. NetBackup forums- Was:sniff...bpgpisgone from 6.5
2008-04-10 10:03:24
I've heard from sources this vicious rumor, that
Windows 2008 includes a "Powershell" which allows Windows to be managed
completely from the command line and thus you don't even need to install
the windows GUI. Of course, I don't expect any of you Linux Fascists to
come onboard until we've developed decent replacements for awk grep and
sed.
-Jonathan
PS: Linux Fascist - that's
funny.
The only right place
right time part of the success was being there when IBM came
knocking. Even then Bill initially sent them to Digital to get the
OS and it was only because Digital didn’t understand the marketing implications
that they came back to Bill and he bought QDOS. He was also smart enough
to make sure the DOS license he gave to IBM was non-exclusive – he made more
money on the PC clones than he did on IBM.
I didn’t begrudge him
DOS or even Windows (we won’t talk about the lawsuit between MS an
IBM). It was when he did things like forcing hardware vendors to
bundle in his other software to be allowed to resell DOS/Windows and did other
things that IMO were clearly monopolistic tactics that I began to dislike
M$. As I noted that opinion wasn’t just mine – both the U.S. Department of
Justice and the E.U. started anti-trust investigations against
him.
Don’t get me wrong I
think Bill is smart man but that is in the business arena. My original
comment was that lumping him in with people that were smart in the technical
arena didn’t make much sense. I doubt it concerns him – at several
billion dollars I doubt he will be crying that I don’t think he is on a par with
Ritchie.
As for me I’m a command
line type of guy and find the limitations of a GUI based OS such as Windows
maddening. The funny thing is that so many recent adopters of Linux
are so ingrained in GUI that they have a hard time getting past the GUI tools it
allows and realizing how much power they get at the command
line.
From: WEAVER,
Simon (external) [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 5:58
AM To: Clem Kruger; Jeff
Lightner; Haskins, Steve; Ed Wilts Cc: Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim Horalek;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Auburn vs.
NetBackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgpisgone from 6.5
I
have a book about the growth of M$ and I can state that alot of their success
was "right place, right time".
Especially
the early days of the venture with IBM, IBM-DOS, PC-DOS and then MS-DOS/Windows
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Clem Kruger Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:02
AM To: Jeff Lightner; Haskins,
Steve; Ed Wilts Cc:
Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim Horalek;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Auburn vs.
NetBackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgpisgone from 6.5
Nah,
I do not like Bill
too much, BUT he was there at the right time and he will still be included with
those great and wonderful men. Denis is one of the most humble men I have ever
had the privilege of meeting!
Kind
Regards,
Clem
Kruger
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From: Jeff
Lightner [mailto:jlightner AT water DOT com] Sent: 09 April 2008 15:14 PM To: Clem Kruger; Haskins, Steve; Ed
Wilts Cc:
Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim Horalek;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Auburn vs.
Netbackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgp isgone from
6.5
Lumping in a marketer
like Bill Gates with TECHNICAL experts like Dennis Ritchie is plain silly.
Bill didn’t “create” anything – he saw an opportunity when IBM came knocking and
bought QDOS to resell to IBM. (We won’t talk about the fact that
QDOS was pretty much believed to be a knock off of CP/M). After DOS
became the main OS for IBM PC compatible systems he was able to force much of
the rest of the world into dependence on his other products not by their
technical superiority but by practices that got the DOJ in the U.S. to start an
anti-trust action against him and the E.U. which has now judged it as
monopolistic twice.
By the way – I’m pretty
sure it was us old farts that were joking about old farts.
From: Clem
Kruger [mailto:Clem AT re-thinking-it DOT com] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:58
AM To: Haskins, Steve; Ed
Wilts; Jeff Lightner Cc:
Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim Horalek;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Auburn vs.
Netbackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgp isgone from 6.5
Can someone please explain what am
"old fart" is?
There are only 3 certainties in
life, death, taxes and change. The last two we can control but death started the
day we were born.
Those of you who used the term "Old
Fart", just remember one day you will wake up and find yourself much older and
then you too will be offended by being called an old fart!
The changes we have seen through the
60’s, 70’s, 80’s, 90’s and now the 21st century has made us better
people and most of all we (old farts) are disciplined. You needed to drop a
try of cards once to understand discipline.
Will you be remembered when you are
gone? The old farts Bill Gates, Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson and many others
will be. Do you know why? Because they were the pioneers, because all we
had was a pair of pliers and some wire.
We never had memory leaks because
could not waste memory. Go and learn assembler and find out what a thrill it is
to do so much with very little.
I just hope that you are fit in mind
and body when it is your turn to be called an “old fart” so that you can ask
yourself “did I leave any foot prints others can follow”?
I took offence, but now enjoy
remembering the program sheets, the cards and ticker tape. The something we made
from nothing. It is great to say we were part of the pioneers and just hope the
pioneering spirit will continue.
Enjoy your life and have some
compassion.
Regards,
Clem.
From:
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Steve Sent: Wed 2008/04/09
05:19 AM To: Ed Wilts; Jeff
Lightner Cc:
Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim Horalek;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Auburn vs.
Netbackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgp isgone from
6.5
And programming on
punch cards…Oh, what FUN!
From:
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[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 6:50
PM To: Jeff
Lightner Cc:
Rusty.Major AT sungard DOT com; Jim Horalek;
VERITAS-BU AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Auburn vs
Netbackup forums- Was: sniff...bpgp is gone from 6.5
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Jeff Lightner <jlightner AT water DOT com>
wrote:
We now prefer to be
called Chronologically Mature Methane Producers or ChMMPs (NOT to be pronounced
as Chimps so as not offend the Evolutinarilly
Challenged…)
An old fart like me can't remember a name *that*
long. I can remember paper tape though...
.../Ed (hiding out at SNW in the state
that defines old)
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