Believe me I understand. I worked for GSK on FDA "validated" systems.
Nothing like writing an 11 page change control just to turn on shell
history for users and having THAT be the shortest one you had to
write....
I had to laugh when I heard people complain about SOX requirements. If
they'd come from a FDA validation they'd have thought SOX was a walk in
the park.
I wasn't trying to convince you to move ahead - just answering the "why
would you" that you asked. Planning around vaporware has never
appealed to me.
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From: Liddle, Stuart [mailto:liddles at amgen.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:12 PM
To: Jeff Lightner; Liddle, Stuart; Mike Wigington;
veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4 to
6.0 MP4
Jeff,
I think you mis-understood my comments....our situation might not be
applicable to others.
Since we have very strict change control for our systems (i.e. lots of
paperwork and lead time) and given that it will take us literally months
to get things planned, tested, approved, etc (to say nothing of getting
all of the existing clients up to version 5.1 so that we are not more
than 1 rev back from the new version)....then there's really no
difference for us to go to 6.5 instead of 6.0. In fact, if both are
available at the time that we decide to make the upgrade, then 6.5 will
be the better choice for us.
Now, if you are in a situation where you can quickly jump from 5.1 to
6.0 and then go to 6.5, then that's probably a good move given all of
the reasons that you mention below. We are just not in that situation.
Our biggest delay in doing any upgrades is getting our client systems to
use the newer version of the NetBackup client so that we are all on the
same version of 5.1 BEFORE we do an upgrade to 6.x. At last count we
had over 1700 clients and a large number of them were still running the
4.5 client.
--stuart
________________________________
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:jlightner at water.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:51 AM
To: Liddle, Stuart; Mike Wigington; veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4 to
6.0 MP4
A few reasons:
A long time ago it became clear that waiting for the next thing was a
good way of never moving forward because something is always in the
pipeline.
The next thing is often called "vaporware" because all the bells and
whistles they tell you it is going to have vaporize (disappear) in the
actual release.
Vendors don't always meet expected (or even announced) release dates for
new software.
You might actually have cycles now to do it that you won't have in the
future.
You may be wishing to implement new hardware in your environment (e.g.
we're getting Data Domain) and want to understand any differences the
new
software does to your existing hardware so you'll understand later what
was introduced by the new software and what was introduced by the new
hardware.
Given the major shift between 5.1 and 6.0 in the way NBU does things
upgrading to 6.5 later will likely not be as major a change (somewhat
like going from 4.5 to 5.1 wasn't that big a deal).
Anyway we're just preparing to take the plunge ourselves so I can't say
how easy it is. My opinions are formed mainly by reading this forum
and by what our (not Symantec) vendor says about it.
________________________________
From: Liddle, Stuart [mailto:liddles at amgen.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:19 PM
To: Jeff Lightner; Liddle, Stuart; Mike Wigington;
veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4 to
6.0 MP4
We have an environment that is under strict change control and if we are
going to upgrade we are going to wait just a bit longer for the version
that has more features in it. Why go for 6.0 now, when you might want
to do the upgrade to 6.5 in just a few months?
--stuart
________________________________
From: Jeff Lightner [mailto:jlightner at water.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Liddle, Stuart; Mike Wigington; veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4 to
6.0 MP4
Why? I was under the impression 6.0 MP4 was fairly stable.
________________________________
From: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Liddle,
Stuart
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Mike Wigington; veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4 to
6.0 MP4
yeah....wait for 6.5, that's what we are doing
--stuart
________________________________
From: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Mike
Wigington
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:55 AM
To: veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Taking the plunge to upgrade from 5.1 MP4 to 6.0
MP4
Can anyone give advise on upgrading from NBU5.1 MP 4 to NBU6.0 MP4?
TIA,
Mike Wig
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