Drive sharing (SSO) for NDMP is a new 'feature' in 6.0, however I
believe connecting them as shared resources to the NetApps requires
NetApp DataOnTap version 7.2... Looks like they were shooting for OnTap
7.1.1 but I don't think it made it in...
I also have a .pdf from NetApp about the joint venture, outlining what
was done - if you want me to send it, (18pgs) email me directly.
--
Here was the update from one of our reps sent 10/6/06:
--
Supposedly it is not in 7.2 but will be in future revs of 7.2.x
I just pulled the release notes for 7.1.1 and it's right in there:
Support for SCSI reservations for the Symantec VERITAS NetBackup 6
Shared Storage Option
Data ONTAP 7.1.1 supports SCSI Reserve/Release commands for the Symantec
VERITAS NetBackup 6 Shared Storage Option, which allows users to
dynamically share tape devices with NDMP backup policies. To enable the
SCSI Reserve/Release commands, set the tape.reservations option to scsi.
For more information, see the na_options(1) man page.
Thanks,
Garrett Covington
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:50:43 +0100
From: "Falk, Martin SZ/HZA-ITDS2" <falkmrt at schaeffler.com>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing drives between NDMP and non
NDMPenvironments
To: "David Mackie" <David.Mackie at synergistic.com.au>, "Thomas
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And take a look here:
http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/products/agents_options_details.jsp?p
cid=1018&pvid=2_1&aoid=65
As Netapp Fileres are supported by the NDMP option and Symantec is
making no difference between Filers and any other NDMP system I believe
this will work.
Regards
Martin
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Von: David Mackie [mailto:David.Mackie at synergistic.com.au]
Gesendet: Montag, 27. November 2006 12:32
An: Falk, Martin SZ/HZA-ITDS2; Thomas Oppermann
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Betreff: RE: [Veritas-bu] Sharing drives between NDMP and non
NDMPenvironments
Martin,
Are you sure?? I was told by Symantec that this was a Big Horn (NBU next
6.5 0r whatever it is called) feature. The environment I designed last
year had more than 100 Filers and it would have been a reason to design
for 6.x from the get go as we were starting deploying 5.1 around the 6.0
release date.
Best I ask the local Symantec Consultants / Presales dudes.
-David
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Drive Sharing with NDMP and other drives is a new feature of Version 6.x
Regards
Martin
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Betreff: Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing drives between NDMP and non NDMP
environments
HI,
AFAIK, it is not possible to use ndmp for Netapp Filer with the SSO
option. Unix and windows should be possible with SSO.
Cheers
Thomas
On 11/23/06, POUSSARD, Gilles (INFOTEL) <gilles.poussard at airbus.com>
wrote:
Hi all,
I am running Netbackup 5.1 MP5 and it is a stable version
I wish to upgrade in 6.0 MP4 in Q1 2007 because this is the only
version which supports W2003 64 bits in media server mode.
But as I have some Netapp filers, I wish to share the drives
between UNIX/ Windows media servers and Netapp filers.
Does anyone has some configurations like this ?? How is it
configured ?? with SSO ?? It is working well ??
Thanks
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 06:48:33 -0600
From: Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU Encryption Option
To: Tristan Ball <Tristan.Ball at vsl.com.au>
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On 11/26/2006 9:36 PM, Tristan Ball wrote:
> We?re interested in adding the encryption option for Netbackup, and
was
> hoping to hear back on anyone?s experiences, good or bad?
From what I've read on this list, it's mostly bad. If you have a very
small number of limitied clients that need to encrypt, and they have a
lot of extra CPU, then you can get away with it. All of the encryption
is done on the client, and that data does not compress. It's not
supported on all clients.
If you're serious about encrypting your data, the preferred solution is
to purchase an encryption appliance. We bought a pair from Decru (now
NetApp) that encrypt at wire speed as well as compress the data. It's a
lot more money than software-based encryption, but the latter wasn't
really an option for us.
Decru is the industry leader but there is another player in the game too
whose name escapes me right now.
.../Ed
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:53:19 -0400
From: "Steve Fogarty" <steve.fogarty at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU Encryption Option
To: "'Tristan Ball'" <Tristan.Ball at vsl.com.au>,
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I am using it on some smaller servers. Works fine, no errors, and able
to
restore to both the server the backup came from, and other servers, as
long
as the key is there, and the passphrase is the same. Performance was
inpacted some. CPU was up, and about an increase of about 35% in time
to
back up. That was with the default encryption type (AES-128-CFB). When
I
switched to Blowfish...there was a HUGE impact on performance. Not so
much
difference in CPU use, but in length of backup time.
Steve
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We're interested in adding the encryption option for Netbackup, and was
hoping to hear back on anyone's experiences, good or bad?
Thanks,
Tristan.
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:44:46 -0000
From: "Clooney, David" <david.clooney at bankofamerica.com>
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Bpend Notify
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Hi All
Wanted to run something by your all as I'm at a bit of a loss.
We are trying to modify the way backup_exit_notify works on the master
but the script doesn't seem to be parsed unique parameters besides
stream. From my understanding the following parameters are parsed...
# CLIENT - the client hostname
# POLICY - the policy label
# SCHEDULE - the schedule label
# SCHEDULE_TYPE - the type of schedule: FULL INCR UBAK UARC
# STATUS - the backup status for this job
# STREAM - the backup stream number for this job
Our end notify script then goes through a whole bunch of rules etc which
determines what and where to send an alert. One of our first tasks is to
make sure a second/third attempt has not kicked in, now with the
parameters we cannot be accurate as we use bpdbjobs to report on the
client policy schedule to see whether there are jobs still active or
Q'ed , we are using multiple data streams . I know I could use
-all_columns on bpdbjobs to figure out the stream and match it back but
it seems a hell of a lot of work especially as only the first 32 fields
are constant and then variable after that.
Can anyone suggest an easier way of what I'm trying to achieve? I guess
I would want jobid to be parsed to backup_exit_notify ?
Any help would be appreciated
Thanks Dave
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:00:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Krzys <krzys at perfekt.net>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup
oracle.
To: ckstehman at pepco.com
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Oracle agent, is that some additional software I need to download and
install?
or is it already installed in my backup server/slient installation but I
just
need to enable it on a server with a license?
Thanks.
Chris
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, ckstehman at pepco.com wrote:
> I also recommend that you use the oracle agent... There is no need to
> shut down the databases, and it is much faster.
>
>
> =============================
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> IT Distributed Services Team
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> cc
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> veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> Subject
> Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup oracle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I recommend you use the agents. They will do cold backups when the
> database is free although they will fail
> when the DB is busy. So you need to choose a time when the DB will be
> quiet and can be quiesced.
> Otherwise you need to do hot backups with logs etc. This is what i
> recommend.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org>
> Sent by: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> 23/11/2006 01:14 PM
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> To
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> Subject
> Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup oracle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/22/2006 1:25 PM, Krzys wrote:
>> You guys are so much more helpfull than any other place... even with
> symantec
>> support I dont get that much support as from you guys, but anyway I
have
>
>> netbackup and one of the backup clients is running oracle. In my
> previous job
>> DBA's were doing cold/hot backups and they just dumped files to
> directories that
>> I then backed up, in this job culture I guess is sligtly different so
> DBA's told
>> me that this is my job to do backups... So anyway for the cold backup
> they
>> provided me with stop script to stop oracle databases (I know its not
to
> good
>> and it causes all sorts of problems if database would not came back
etc)
> But
>> despite those aspects what would I need to do to acomplish this task
of
> backing
>> up system with oracle down...
>
> Don't even go there. Believe me, you *will* have issues. You *will*
> leave databases down when they're supposed to be up. You *will* be
> phoned and yelled at. Your DBAs *will* be phoned and yelled at.
>
> Your previous job's approach is tolerable - it's what we do here today
> (until we get the agents into production). The approach they want in
> your current job is NOT a good idea. It sucks. It breaks randomly.
It
> leaves databases down. Don't try it. You'll be sorry.
>
> .../Ed
>
>
> --
> Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 15:15:44 -0000
From: "Weber, Philip" <Philip.Weber at egg.com>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Storage unit number of drives
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You can set the "Maximum Concurrent drives used for backup" in the
storage unit, but that doesn't give you any control over WHICH drives
are used, which sounds like what you want. I think you could use
tpconfig to manually set which drives (that the OS can see) are
available to NetBackup, but I'm not sure you could then create a 2nd
storage unit to use the other drives.
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Subject: [Veritas-bu] Storage unit number of drives
Guys is there anyway to create a storage unit and use only a certain
number of drives?
Im Netbackup 5.0mp4 on sol9. I have 5 drives available in a L700 3 of
which are Shared SSO. I want to create a storage unit of 3 drives ( 1
shared and 2 not ) so that a network based job doesnt tie up 2 of the
shared drives and cause my media servers using SSO to fail. Im running
ITC so need 2 drives at a time.
Dave
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 10:26:20 -0500
From: ckstehman at pepco.com
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup
oracle.
To: Krzys <krzys at perfekt.net>
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It is an add-on that you need to purchase from Symantec and install
separately. It interfaces RMAN to the tape backups managed by
Netbackup
=============================
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IT Distributed Services Team
Pepco Holdings, Inc.
202-331-6619
Pager 301-765-2703
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Krzys <krzys at perfekt.net>
11/27/2006 10:00 AM
To
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Subject
Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup oracle.
Oracle agent, is that some additional software I need to download and
install?
or is it already installed in my backup server/slient installation but I
just
need to enable it on a server with a license?
Thanks.
Chris
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, ckstehman at pepco.com wrote:
> I also recommend that you use the oracle agent... There is no need to
> shut down the databases, and it is much faster.
>
>
> =============================
> Carl Stehman
> IT Distributed Services Team
> Pepco Holdings, Inc.
> 202-331-6619
> Pager 301-765-2703
> ckstehman at pepco.com
>
>
>
> Dominik.J.Pietrzykowski at nab.com.au
> Sent by: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> 11/22/2006 11:39 PM
>
> To
> Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org>
> cc
> veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu,
> veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> Subject
> Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup oracle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I recommend you use the agents. They will do cold backups when the
> database is free although they will fail
> when the DB is busy. So you need to choose a time when the DB will be
> quiet and can be quiesced.
> Otherwise you need to do hot backups with logs etc. This is what i
> recommend.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org>
> Sent by: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> 23/11/2006 01:14 PM
>
>
> To
> Krzys <krzys at perfekt.net>
> cc
> veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
> Subject
> Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup oracle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/22/2006 1:25 PM, Krzys wrote:
>> You guys are so much more helpfull than any other place... even with
> symantec
>> support I dont get that much support as from you guys, but anyway I
have
>
>> netbackup and one of the backup clients is running oracle. In my
> previous job
>> DBA's were doing cold/hot backups and they just dumped files to
> directories that
>> I then backed up, in this job culture I guess is sligtly different so
> DBA's told
>> me that this is my job to do backups... So anyway for the cold backup
> they
>> provided me with stop script to stop oracle databases (I know its not
to
> good
>> and it causes all sorts of problems if database would not came back
etc)
> But
>> despite those aspects what would I need to do to acomplish this task
of
> backing
>> up system with oracle down...
>
> Don't even go there. Believe me, you *will* have issues. You *will*
> leave databases down when they're supposed to be up. You *will* be
> phoned and yelled at. Your DBAs *will* be phoned and yelled at.
>
> Your previous job's approach is tolerable - it's what we do here today
> (until we get the agents into production). The approach they want in
> your current job is NOT a good idea. It sucks. It breaks randomly.
It
> leaves databases down. Don't try it. You'll be sorry.
>
> .../Ed
>
>
> --
> Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
> mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:17:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Darren Dunham <ddunham at taos.com>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO-3 and MPX
To: Veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
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> So what happens on the drive side if I have MPX set to 3 and then
start a
> backup of 2 clients that can push data fast and 1 client that are
really
> slow?
>
> Is it the slow client that decide the speed of the drive then and make
it
> stop/rewind/paus etc. and the other clients have to wait for the
slower one?
>
> Thanks and regards,
Good question. I don't often run NetBackup with MPX, but I can tell you
that on Networker, the slow one doesn't slow anything down and I expect
the same is true on NetBackup. There it's just buffering data from the
clients. If one client is slow, it doesn't contribute as much to the
buffer, but that doesn't affect the overall throughput much.
--
Darren Dunham ddunham at taos.com
Senior Technical Consultant TAOS http://www.taos.com/
Got some Dr Pepper? San Francisco, CA bay area
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:30:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Krzys <krzys at perfekt.net>
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup
oracle.
To: ckstehman at pepco.com
Cc: veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0611271128360.7934 at chrysek>
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When I look at the licenses that I have installed on my server I have
this
listed, is this the add-on license that you refering to or this is
something
else?
Thanks for help.
License Key: xxxxxxxx
Date Added: Mar 30, 2006 at 23:16:45
Host: mybkhost
Product: NetBackup
Client count: 0
Expires: No Expiration Date
Feature: Oracle extension
License Key: xxxxxxxx
Date Added: Mar 30, 2006 at 23:14:53
Host: mybkhost
Product: NetBackup
Client count: 0
Expires: No Expiration Date
Feature: Oracle extension
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, ckstehman at pepco.com wrote:
> It is an add-on that you need to purchase from Symantec and install
> separately. It interfaces RMAN to the tape backups managed by
> Netbackup
>
>
> =============================
> Carl Stehman
> IT Distributed Services Team
> Pepco Holdings, Inc.
> 202-331-6619
> Pager 301-765-2703
> ckstehman at pepco.com
>
>
>
> Krzys <krzys at perfekt.net>
> 11/27/2006 10:00 AM
>
> To
> ckstehman at pepco.com
> cc
> Dominik.J.Pietrzykowski at nab.com.au, veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu,
> veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu, Ed Wilts
<ewilts at ewilts.org>
> Subject
> Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup oracle.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Oracle agent, is that some additional software I need to download and
> install?
> or is it already installed in my backup server/slient installation but
I
> just
> need to enable it on a server with a license?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, ckstehman at pepco.com wrote:
>
>> I also recommend that you use the oracle agent... There is no need
to
>> shut down the databases, and it is much faster.
>>
>>
>> =============================
>> Carl Stehman
>> IT Distributed Services Team
>> Pepco Holdings, Inc.
>> 202-331-6619
>> Pager 301-765-2703
>> ckstehman at pepco.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Dominik.J.Pietrzykowski at nab.com.au
>> Sent by: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>> 11/22/2006 11:39 PM
>>
>> To
>> Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org>
>> cc
>> veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu,
>> veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>> Subject
>> Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup oracle.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I recommend you use the agents. They will do cold backups when the
>> database is free although they will fail
>> when the DB is busy. So you need to choose a time when the DB will be
>> quiet and can be quiesced.
>> Otherwise you need to do hot backups with logs etc. This is what i
>> recommend.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed Wilts <ewilts at ewilts.org>
>> Sent by: veritas-bu-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>> 23/11/2006 01:14 PM
>>
>>
>> To
>> Krzys <krzys at perfekt.net>
>> cc
>> veritas-bu at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
>> Subject
>> Re: [Veritas-bu] I need some additional help to backup oracle.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/22/2006 1:25 PM, Krzys wrote:
>>> You guys are so much more helpfull than any other place... even with
>> symantec
>>> support I dont get that much support as from you guys, but anyway I
> have
>>
>>> netbackup and one of the backup clients is running oracle. In my
>> previous job
>>> DBA's were doing cold/hot backups and they just dumped files to
>> directories that
>>> I then backed up, in this job culture I guess is sligtly different
so
>> DBA's told
>>> me that this is my job to do backups... So anyway for the cold
backup
>> they
>>> provided me with stop script to stop oracle databases (I know its
not
> to
>> good
>>> and it causes all sorts of problems if database would not came back
> etc)
>> But
>>> despite those aspects what would I need to do to acomplish this task
of
>> backing
>>> up system with oracle down...
>>
>> Don't even go there. Believe me, you *will* have issues. You *will*
>> leave databases down when they're supposed to be up. You *will* be
>> phoned and yelled at. Your DBAs *will* be phoned and yelled at.
>>
>> Your previous job's approach is tolerable - it's what we do here
today
>> (until we get the agents into production). The approach they want in
>> your current job is NOT a good idea. It sucks. It breaks randomly.
It
>> leaves databases down. Don't try it. You'll be sorry.
>>
>> .../Ed
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA
>> mailto:ewilts at ewilts.org
>>
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