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VSS is using the Windows VSS service, which in turn can access other
technology such as Veritas Volume Manager, or snapshot/mirror capabilities
of your disk hardware, which would be the way to go if you're licensed for
those goodies.
I am about to implement FlashBackup to backup some huge Windows file server=
s
using the NBU 6 advanced client. Currently the backups of those file server=
s
are very slow (the old traversing the filesystem issue). We will use
Flashbackup to do block level backups. Flashbackup uses Windows VSS to
ensure a consistent disk image during the backup, which in turn will utilis=
e
either VxVM or storage array snapshot capabilities to achieve this.
VSP is, by comparison, fairly dumb :P
Although I'm talking purely from theory - haven't tested it yet.
I can't talk about .pst files. You should probably investigate using the NB=
U
agent for Exchange.
On 5/5/06, WEAVER, Simon <simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net> wrote:
>
> *Well we dont back up desktops - so outlook would not be open.*
> **
> *But I have found NBU 5.1 to perform backups with status 0 all the time.
> the only time I see a "1" status is if there is a file it cannot open, bu=
t
> even so, its not been a critical file.*
> **
> *When you enable VSS/VSP - take a look at this document.....*
> **
> *http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/276739.htm *
> **
> *Might be of a point of reference. One of my sites was continually gettin=
g
> 156 messages and they called Veritas... (before calling Symantec. Guess w=
hat
> they told them to do??)*
> **
> *Answer.... turn off VSS !!!! Well it was disabled, and the backups have
> worked solid since.*
> **
> *I also come from a NBU 3.4 with OTM was used (open transaction manager)
> and that still had issues, although in some cases, it was ok.*
> **
> *I dont list .pst files :-) *
>
>
> *Regards*
>
> *Simon Weaver
> 3rd Line Technical Support
> Windows Domain Administrator*
>
> *EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)*
> *Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU*
>
> *Email: **Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net* <Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads
> DOT net>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Wilkinson, Tim [mailto:Tim.Wilkinson AT dsto.defence.gov DOT au]
> *Sent:* 04 May 2006 23:40
> *To:* WEAVER, Simon; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> *Subject:* RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
>
> Not yet - I'm still looking at it in a test environment.
>
> How would you backup open windows files on Windows 2000 without it? It's
> quite likely that people leave Outlook open on their desktop at the end o=
f
> the day and in the past this has caused open file issues (as well as any
> documents they might be working on).
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* WEAVER, Simon [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net]
> *Sent:* Friday, 5 May 2006 2:55 AM
> *To:* Wilkinson, Tim; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> *Subject:* RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
>
> *Cons: Backups can fail with status 156*
> *Pros: Well I dont use it - and even with AD, its not even used. and yet
> it still gets backed up!*
> **
> *VSP/VSS within Netbackup will need disk space. Have you tried it yet?*
> **
> *Regards*
>
> *Simon Weaver
> 3rd Line Technical Support
> Windows Domain Administrator*
>
> *EADS Astrium Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)*
> *Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU*
>
> *Email: **Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net* <Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads
> DOT net>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Wilkinson, Tim [mailto:Tim.Wilkinson AT dsto.defence.gov DOT au]
> *Sent:* 04 May 2006 06:55
> *To:* veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> *Subject:* [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm a bit of a newbie to Netbackup (but learning shed-loads rather
> rapidly) and have a question about VSP for open file backups. I've had so=
me
> people who use this and others who don't although I've not had any reason=
s
> for either case.
> I'm wondering if it's generally a good idea on things like Windows file
> servers (where especially pst files are often open), DHCP and DDNS server=
s
> (non Active Directory DDNS). On Windows 2003, it seems VSS is better for
> open file backups (although this may be wrong).
> What are the cons with using VSP?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Tim Wilkinson
> I.T. Support Officer
> Science Corporate Information Systems
> Defence Science & Technology Organisation
> Department of Defence
>
> Tel: (02) 96921484
> Fax: (02) 96921562
> Email:***** tim.wilkinson AT dsto.defence.gov DOT au*
>
>
>
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VSS is using the Windows VSS service, which in turn can access other techno=
logy such as Veritas Volume Manager, or snapshot/mirror capabilities of you=
r disk hardware, which would be the way to go if you're licensed for those =
goodies.
<br><br>I am about to implement FlashBackup to backup some huge Windows fil=
e servers using the NBU 6 advanced client. Currently the backups of those f=
ile servers are very slow (the old traversing the filesystem issue). We wil=
l use Flashbackup to do block level backups. Flashbackup uses Windows VSS t=
o ensure a consistent disk image during the backup, which in turn will util=
ise either VxVM or storage array snapshot capabilities to achieve this.
<br><br>VSP is, by comparison, fairly dumb :P<br><br>Although I'm talking p=
urely from theory - haven't tested it yet.<br><br>I can't talk about .pst f=
iles. You should probably investigate using the NBU agent for Exchange.
<br><br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5/5/06, <b class=3D"gmail_s=
endername">WEAVER, Simon</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium DOT
ead=
s.net" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,=
this)">
simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote
class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0=
pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style=3D"direction: ltr;">
<div><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"><strong><em>Well we dont =
back up desktops - so outlook would not
be open.</em></strong></font></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></em><=
/strong></span> </div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">But I have fo=
und NBU 5.1 to perform backups with status 0 all the
time. the only time I see a "1" status is if there is a file it c=
annot open, but
even so, its not been a critical file.</font></em></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></em><=
/strong></span> </div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">When you enab=
le VSS/VSP - take a look at this
document.....</font></em></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></em><=
/strong></span> </div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"><a href=3D"ht=
tp://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/276739.htm" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D=
"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://seer.support.veritas.=
com/docs/276739.htm
</a></font></em></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></em><=
/strong></span> </div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">Might be of a=
point of reference. One of my sites was continually
getting 156 messages and they called Veritas... (before calling Symantec. G=
uess
what they told them to do??)</font></em></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></em><=
/strong></span> </div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">Answer.... tu=
rn off VSS !!!! Well it was disabled, and the backups
have worked solid since.</font></em></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></em><=
/strong></span> </div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">I
also come from a NBU 3.4 with OTM was used (open transaction manager) and t=
hat
still had issues, although in some cases, it was
ok.</font></em></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></em><=
/strong></span> </div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">I
dont list .pst files :-) </font></em></strong></span></div></div><div style=
=3D"direction: ltr;"><span>
<div> </div>
<p align=3D"left"><span lang=3D"en-gb"><em><font color=3D"#3f6296"><font si=
ze=3D"2"><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#0000ff">Regards</font></font>=
</font></font></em></span></p>
<p align=3D"left"><span lang=3D"en-gb"><em><font color=3D"#3f6296"><font si=
ze=3D"2"><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#0000ff">Simon Weaver</font><b=
r></font></font></font><font color=3D"#0000a0" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><s=
trong>3rd Line Technical Support
<br>Windows
Domain Administrator</strong></font></em><font face=3D"Arial"> </font></spa=
n></p>
<p><span lang=3D"en-gb"><i><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2=
">EADS Astrium
Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)</font></i></span><span lang=3D"en-gb"><br><font col=
or=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><em>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO=
3
5PU</em></font></span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"en-gb"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><=
em>Email:
</em></font><a href=3D"mailto:Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net"
target=3D"_bla=
nk" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face=3D"=
Arial" size=3D"2"><em>Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT
net</em></font></a></span><=
/p>
</span></div><div style=3D"direction: ltr;"><blockquote style=3D"margin-rig=
ht: 0px;">
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left" lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=
=3D"2"></font></div><div style=3D"direction: ltr;"><span><font face=3D"Taho=
ma" size=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Wilkinson, Tim
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Tim.Wilkinson AT dsto.defence.gov DOT au"
target=3D"_b=
lank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Tim.Wilkinso=
n AT dsto.defence.gov DOT au</a>] <br></font></span></div><div
style=3D"direction:=
ltr;">
<span><font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>Sent:</b> 04 May 2006
23:40<br><b>To:</b> WEAVER, Simon;
<a href=3D"mailto:veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu" target=3D"_blank"
on=
click=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">[email protected]=
ng.auburn.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and
VSP on Windows<br><br></font></span></div><div style=3D"direction: ltr;">=
</div></blockquote></div><div style=3D"direction: ltr;"><span>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2">Not yet - I'm still looking at it in a test
environment.</font></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2"></font></span> </div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2">How would you backup open windows files on Windows 2000
without it? It's quite likely that people leave Outlook open on their des=
ktop
at the end of the day and in the past this has caused open file issues (a=
s
well as any documents they might be working on).</font></span></div><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left" lang=3D"en-us">
<hr>
<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"2"><b>From:</b> WEAVER, Simon
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net"
target=3D"_blank=
" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">simon.weaver@ast=
rium.eads.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 5 May 2006
2:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> Wilkinson, Tim;
<a href=3D"mailto:veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu" target=3D"_blank"
on=
click=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">[email protected]=
ng.auburn.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 6 and
VSP on Windows<br></font><br></div>
<div></div>
<div><span><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"><strong><em>Cons: Backu=
ps can fail with status
156</em></strong></font></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">Pros: Well =
I dont use it - and even with AD, its not even used.
and yet it still gets backed up!</font></em></strong></span></div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial"></font></em=
></strong></span> </div>
<div><span><strong><em><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial">VSP/VSS wit=
hin Netbackup will need disk space. Have you tried it
yet?</font></em></strong></span></div>
<div><span lang=3D"en-gb"><em><font color=3D"#3f6296"><font size=3D"2"><f=
ont face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#0000ff"></font></font></font></font></em=
></span> </div>
<div><span lang=3D"en-gb"><em><font color=3D"#3f6296"><font size=3D"2"><f=
ont face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#0000ff">Regards</font></font></font></fo=
nt></em></span></div>
<p align=3D"left"><span lang=3D"en-gb"><em><font color=3D"#3f6296"><font =
size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Arial"><font color=3D"#0000ff">Simon
Weaver</font><br></font></font></font><font color=3D"#0000a0" face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2"><strong>3rd Line Technical Support<br>Windows Domain
Administrator</strong></font></em><font face=3D"Arial"> </font></span></p=
>
<p><span lang=3D"en-gb"><i><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D=
"2">EADS Astrium
Limited, B32AA IM (DCS)</font></i></span><span lang=3D"en-gb"><br><font c=
olor=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><em>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, =
PO3
5PU</em></font></span></p>
<p><span lang=3D"en-gb"><font color=3D"#0000ff" face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"=
><em>Email:
</em></font><a href=3D"mailto:Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT net"
target=3D"_b=
lank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"><font face=
=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><em>Simon.Weaver AT Astrium-eads DOT
net</em></font></a></sp=
an></p>
<blockquote dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"margin-right: 0px;">
<div></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left" lang=3D"en-us"><font face=3D"Tahoma" si=
ze=3D"2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Wilkinson, Tim
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:Tim.Wilkinson AT dsto.defence.gov DOT au"
target=3D"=
_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Tim.Wilkin=
son AT dsto.defence.gov DOT au</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 04 May 2006
06:55<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT
edu=
" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)=
">veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
[Veritas-bu] NB 6 and VSP on Windows<br><br></font></div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Hi,</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font></span> </div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I'm a bit of a
newbie to Netbackup (but learning shed-loads rather rapidly) and have a
question about VSP for open file backups. I've had some people who use =
this
and others who don't although I've not had any reasons for either
case.</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I'm wondering if
it's generally a good idea on things like Windows file servers (where
especially pst files are often open), DHCP and DDNS servers (non Active
Directory DDNS). On Windows 2003, it seems VSS is better for open file
backups (although this may be wrong).</font></span></div>
<div><span><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">What are the
cons with using VSP?</font></span></div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"=
></font><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"></font>
<div align=3D"left"><br> </div>
<div align=3D"left"><span></span><font face=3D"Arial"><font size=3D"2">=
C<span>heers,</span></font></font><br></div>
<ul>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">----------------------------------=
-----------------------------------</font>
<br><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Tim Wilkinson</font> <br><font fa=
ce=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">I.T. Support Officer</font> <br><font face=3D"Arial=
" size=3D"2">Science
Corporate Information Systems</font> <br><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D=
"2">Defence
Science & Technology Organisation</font> <br><font face=3D"Arial"=
size=3D"2">Department of Defence</font> </p>
<p><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Tel: (02) 96921484</font> <br><fon=
t face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2">Fax: (02) 96921562</font> <br><font face=3D"Ari=
al" size=3D"2">Email:<u></u></font><u></u><u> <font color=3D"#0000ff" face=
=3D"Times New Roman">
<a href=3D"mailto:tim.wilkinson AT dsto.defence.gov DOT au" target=3D"_blank"
oncl=
ick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">tim.wilkinson AT dsto DOT
def=
ence.gov.au</a></font></u> </p><br></ul>
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