Well, frequency-based cleaning is up to you. Not recommended in an SSO
environment, as drive-in-use time is tracked on each media server, and
you will end up attempting to over-clean your drives. You'd have
to check with your drive vendor, but I know that a lot of drives will
ignore a cleaning tape if it doesn't think it needs cleaning, or if
it's too soon.
As I said before though, don't worry about those lights. Netbackup
checks tapealert on mount and dismount, and as long as you have a
cleaning tape configured that still has cleanings left, netbackup
will take of cleaning with no hassle. If you start seeing a lot of
media errors you might be having some problems with drive cleaning,
but mostly it just works.
George
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006, Greenberg, Brian wrote:
> That's fantastic. So I should probably do frequency based cleaning then
> until I go to NBU 6.0? The drives seem to need cleaning after about 500
> or 600 hours of use.
>
> Regards,
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of George
> Drew
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 6:14 PM
> To: Paul Keating
> Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Cleaning issues: LTO-3/ADIC i2k and NBU 5.1
> MP3
>
> The best thing to do (for nbu versions < 6.0) is to ignore those
> lights. Those versions of netbackup only recognize two of the 48 or
> so possible flags set on the tapealert log page, clean now and clean
> periodic. The light on the front of the drive could get set for who
> knows how many of the other possibilities (ask ADIC or IBM). Also,
> the tapealert log page is a 'read and clear' log page, meaning if
> something (the library) reads it before netbackup then netbackup will
> never see that the flag was set, and take no action.
>
> Netbackup 6.x will tell you which flag was set, and take action on
> many of them.
>
> George
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Paul Keating wrote:
>
>> In the 18 months since my two L700's have been in production, for the
>> first 6 months, one library was doing nightly backups and daily
>> vaulting, then both libraries in use with Inline tape copy for the
>> last
>> 12 months, I've used 1 tape in the first library (25 cleanings) and
>> maybe a dozen cleans in the second library.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>> [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of
>>> Greenberg, Brian
>>> Sent: March 2, 2006 10:42 AM
>>> To: WEAVER, Simon; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Cleaning issues: LTO-3/ADIC i2k and
>>> NBU 5.1 MP3
>>>
>>>
>>> Ahhh, I misread your message. So you were essentially doing
>>> frequency
>>> based cleaning. Yes, that's my other option. Fortunately, the
>>> lights
>>> on our drives only come on about after 800 hours of use,
>>> approximately.
>>>
>>> I still have a ticket open with Veritas. We're trying to see if the
>>> cleaning count decrements at all on the tapes since tpconfig's report
>>> isn't telling me if the drive gets cleaned when it looks like
>>> from time
>>> to time it does, so I'm looking at that report every day too.
>>>
>>> So what libraries are you using?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:36 AM
>>> To: Greenberg, Brian; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Cleaning issues: LTO-3/ADIC i2k and NBU 5.1
>>> MP3
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Brian
>>> No, I never waited for the lights, because as mentioned, the
>>> lights seem
>>> to
>>> come on almost after EVERY backup.
>>>
>>> What I done, was within 3.4, checked how many times the drive was
>>> used
>>> and
>>> approx once per month used TPClean.
>>>
>>> ADIC support was totally useless, blaming the Netbackup
>>> Software.... But
>>> how
>>> could it be the software if the drive is telling me it needs
>>> cleaning??
>>>
>>> I had a schedule to run TPCLEAN every month Brian - when I
>>> say "manual",
>>> what I meant was "not controlled by Netbackup".
>>>
>>> Most of my Netbackup implementation is all automated - I only
>>> ever look
>>> at
>>> the product or drives if I get an alert.
>>>
>>> Thankfully, I no longer use ADIC :-)
>>>
>>> Simon Weaver
>>> Technical Support
>>> Windows Domain Administrator
>>>
>>> EADS Astrium
>>> Tel: 02392-708598
>>>
>>> Email: Simon.Weaver AT Astrium.eads DOT net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Greenberg, Brian [mailto:Brian.Greenberg AT citadelgroup DOT com]
>>> Sent: 02 March 2006 15:33
>>> To: WEAVER, Simon; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Cleaning issues: LTO-3/ADIC i2k and NBU 5.1
>>> MP3
>>>
>>>
>>> So your cleaning process is completely manual? You waited to see
>>> cleaning
>>> lights on the drives and then cleaned them?
>>>
>>> That's what I've been doing, but for us, that's only a
>>> temporary fix. My
>>> motto, automate everything and then put the checks in place
>>> to make sure
>>> it's running properly.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 9:25 AM
>>> To: Greenberg, Brian; 'veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu'
>>> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Cleaning issues: LTO-3/ADIC i2k and NBU 5.1
>>> MP3
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> My ADIC would not communicate with Netbackup - manual intervention
>>> was
>>> the
>>> only way. I had a rule that NBU recognised the cleaning tape and was
>>> able to
>>> use TPCLEAN - but it was no big deal.
>>>
>>> Simon Weaver
>>> Technical Support
>>> Windows Domain Administrator
>>>
>>> EADS Astrium
>>> Tel: 02392-708598
>>>
>>> Email: Simon.Weaver AT Astrium.eads DOT net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Greenberg, Brian [mailto:Brian.Greenberg AT citadelgroup DOT com]
>>> Sent: 02 March 2006 14:56
>>> To: WEAVER, Simon
>>> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Cleaning issues: LTO-3/ADIC i2k and NBU 5.1
>>> MP3
>>>
>>>
>>> Fair guess but no. Actually, ADIC has nothing to do with it.
>>> It's the
>>> tape
>>> alert that comes from the drive itself. I have hardware/library
>>> frequency
>>> based cleaning off so that NBU can clean when it gets the request
>>> from
>>> the
>>> drive. Barcode rules also wouldn't have anything to do with it
>>> either
>>> because they are only for importing media/inventorying media in the
>>> library.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:44 AM
>>> To: Greenberg, Brian; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Cleaning issues: LTO-3/ADIC i2k and NBU 5.1
>>> MP3
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Brian
>>> I had an LTO1 ADIC, and to be very truthful, I ended up doing it
>>> manually,
>>> because the tape request simply did not interact with Netbackup 3.4
>>>
>>> Not only that, the ADIC constantly wanted the drive to be
>>> cleaned almost
>>> every other day. And I found this hard to believe, because if
>>> you do too
>>> many cleans you would end up damaging the drive heads I guess!
>>>
>>> The things to check would be the Barcode Rules, that its
>>> identified as a
>>> cleaning tape, but as I said I never got it to automatically work. I
>>> checked
>>> the amount of times the drives had been used and where
>>> required cleaned
>>> them!
>>>
>>> Simon Weaver
>>> Technical Support
>>> Windows Domain Administrator
>>>
>>> EADS Astrium
>>> Tel: 02392-708598
>>>
>>> Email: Simon.Weaver AT Astrium.eads DOT net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Greenberg, Brian [mailto:Brian.Greenberg AT citadelgroup DOT com]
>>> Sent: 01 March 2006 16:08
>>> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
>>> Subject: [Veritas-bu] Cleaning issues: LTO-3/ADIC i2k and NBU 5.1 MP3
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a ADIC i2k with LTO-3 (IBM) drives in it and NBU 5.1
>>> MP3 running
>>> on
>>> RH Linux AS3 but I seem to be having some issues with drive cleaning.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of the drives have the red 'C' indicator on the front of
>>> the drive
>>> with
>>> the amber light flashing signaling that the drive needs to be
>>> cleaned.
>>> However, the tapealert notification doesn't seem to be
>>> getting to NBU to
>>> do
>>> the clean on the drive.
>>>
>>> Yes, there are cleaning tapes in the library, in the correct
>>> partition
>>> and
>>> are labeled properly. When I issue a tpclean command or do
>>> it from the
>>> GUI
>>> it works fine. The problem is I have to do all that manually.
>>>
>>> The tape alert doesn't seem to be getting to NBU. I checked the
>>> messages
>>> file but that doesn't seem to be giving me enough info.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a suggestion for me on where to look next?
>>>
>>> Brian Greenberg
>>> bjgreenberg AT gmail DOT com
>>>
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