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[Veritas-bu] Master and Media HW and OS..

2006-01-24 18:18:05
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Master and Media HW and OS..
From: SJACOBSO AT novell DOT com (Scott Jacobson)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 16:18:05 -0700
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Johnny,
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Can't say I share the same opinion regarding issues with Linux running as =
media or master servers in a NetBackup environment.
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I've been using Linux (SLES 8/9) media servers in a SSO environment with =
ACSLS for the better part of a year and a half and haven't had any major =
issues.  Sure, setting it up was challenging as there wasn't definitive =
documentation at the time.
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My media servers are a 2 x 3.4 MHz (multi threaded) using either Intel/AMD =
with 4 Gb of Ram driving 4 FC LTO II tapes drives (thru QLogic HBA's) with =
two 1 Gb NIC ports bonded together.
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No problems here.
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Scott J.

>>> "Johnny Oestergaard" <joe AT joe DOT dk> 1/24/2006 1:11 pm >>>

I don't know anything about Linux, but in our installation I use Windows =
2003 on my combined master/media server.
The server is a Dell 2850, 2 x 3,6 Ghz HT Xeon CPU's. I use 2 Emulex =
LP10000 HBA's to give me access to the SAN (2 connections to disk and 2 to =
tapes) and one Qlogic HBA to connect to the library.
Connection to our LAN is at the moment 2 Gbit/s
The server feeds 4 STK9940B drives
Except for the LAN connection I really don't have any problems with =
performance.
Daily backup volume is around 2,5 * 3,0 TB from 80-100 servers running =
anything from NT 4.0 to Windows 2003, Exchange, SQL, SPS, BizTalk and God =
knows what. I even have a bunch of VMware ESX servers.
After I migrate to NBU 6.0 I will add one extra media server and share the =
drives using SSO.
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Windows isn't the best operatingsystem for have I/O load, but I don't want =
to migrate to Solaris because of the extra cost and also don't want to use =
Linux because I am the only one who knows anything about Linux in our =
shop. And we have to pay a lot more for a RedHat ES server licens then =
what we pay for a Windows licens (NBU cost is the same for Windows and =
Linux)
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>From all what I know about performance on an Intel box (or AMD) you would =
get a decent performance out of any box now-a-days for NBU use.
I would go for a 4 CPU box using Xeon processors with 4 GB ram, some good =
HBA's and some good NIC's if I had the money. But a 2 processor box as the =
one I use can feed 4 drives in my installation without any real problem.
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Even if my info is from Windows, I hope you can use it.
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/johnny
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From:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin@mailm=
an.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Hampus Lind
Sent: 24. januar 2006 20:05
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Master and Media HW and OS..

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Hi,
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We run all our master and media servers on HP PA-RISC server and HP-UX as =
OS. These servers cost a lot, not only to buy, but also in maintenance*
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What do you guys think about going from the above to powerful INTEL server =
with linux as OS instead in a datacenter environment?=20
We have about 200 clients and (all full is about ~15TB, never at one time =
though) to backup at one of our sites.=20
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Anyone using this type of solution in DC env`s? Recommendations??=20
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Thankful for advice,
MVH / Hampus Lind
Rikspolisstyrelsen
National Police Board
Tel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43
Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66
E-mail: hampus.lind AT rps.police DOT se
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<DIV>Johnny,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Can't say I share the same opinion regarding issues with Linux =
running as&nbsp;media or master&nbsp;servers in&nbsp;a NetBackup environmen=
t.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I've been using Linux (SLES 8/9) media servers in a SSO environment =
with ACSLS for the better part of a year and a half and haven't had any =
major issues.&nbsp; Sure, setting it up was challenging as there wasn't =
definitive documentation at the time.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>My media servers are a 2&nbsp;x 3.4 MHz (multi threaded) using&nbsp;ei=
ther Intel/AMD with 4 Gb of Ram driving 4 FC LTO II tapes drives (thru =
QLogic HBA's) with two 1 Gb NIC ports&nbsp;bonded together.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>No problems here.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Scott J.<BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; "Johnny Oestergaard" &lt;joe AT joe DOT 
dk&gt; =
1/24/2006 1:11 pm &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't know =
anything about Linux, but in our installation I use Windows 2003 on my =
combined master/media server.<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D "urn:schem=
as-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The server is a =
Dell 2850, 2 x 3,6 Ghz HT Xeon CPU's. I use 2 Emulex LP10000 HBA's to give =
me access to the SAN (2 connections to disk and 2 to tapes) and one Qlogic =
HBA to connect to the library.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Connection to =
our LAN is at the moment 2 Gbit/s<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The server =
feeds 4 STK9940B drives<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Except for the =
LAN connection I really don't have any problems with performance.<o:p></o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Daily backup =
volume is around 2,5 - 3,0 TB from 80-100 servers running anything from NT =
4.0 to Windows 2003, Exchange, SQL, SPS, BizTalk and God knows what. I =
even have a bunch of VMware ESX servers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">After I migrate =
to NBU 6.0 I will add one extra media server and share the drives using =
SSO.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Windows isn't =
the best operatingsystem for have I/O load, but I don't want to migrate to =
Solaris because of the extra cost and also don't want to use Linux because =
I am the only one who knows anything about Linux in our shop. And we have =
to pay a lot more for a RedHat ES server licens then what we pay for a =
Windows licens (NBU cost is the same for Windows and Linux)<o:p></o:p></SPA=
N></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From all what I =
know about performance on an Intel box (or AMD) you would get a decent =
performance out of any box now-a-days for NBU use.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>=
</P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would go for =
a 4 CPU box using Xeon processors with 4 GB ram, some good HBA's and some =
good NIC's if I had the money. But a 2 processor box as the one I use can =
feed 4 drives in my installation without any real problem.<o:p></o:p></SPAN=
></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Even if my info =
is from Windows, I hope you can use it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p=
></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">/johnny<o:p></o:=
p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Tahoma"> veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
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ailman.eng.auburn.edu] <B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of =
</SPAN></B>Hampus Lind<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN>=
</B> 24. januar 2006 20:05<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPA=
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ONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi,</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DSV><o:p><=
/o:p></SPAN></P>
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ONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DSV><o:=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We run all our master and =
media servers on HP PA-RISC server and HP-UX as OS. These servers cost a =
lot, not only to buy, but also in maintenance.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
lang=3DSV><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
lang=3DSV><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What do you guys think about =
going from the above to powerful INTEL server with linux as OS instead in =
a datacenter environment? </SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DSV><o:p></o:p></SPAN><=
/P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We have about 200 clients =
and (all full is about ~15TB, never at one time though) to backup at one =
of our sites. </SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DSV><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><SPAN =
lang=3DSV><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyone using this type of =
solution in DC env`s? Recommendations?? </SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DSV><o:p>=
</o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-GB =
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thankful for advice,</SPAN></=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN =
lang=3DSV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">MVH / =
Hampus Lind<BR>Rikspolisstyrelsen<BR>National Police Board<BR>Tel dir: +46 =
(0)8 - 401 99 43<BR>Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66<BR>E-mail: <A href=3D"ma=
ilto:hampus.lind AT rps.police DOT se">hampus.lind AT rps.police DOT 
se</A></SPAN></FONT>=
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