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2005-11-17 09:31:18
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Huge incrementals, with little data change
From: tlewick AT hrblock DOT com (Lewick, Taylor)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:31:18 -0600 
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I tried using time stamp.  Didn't work, the only solution is to turn of
TIR, which if you do a weekly full then TIR doesn't really get you that
much in my opinion.

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TIR is helpful if you did a full once a month, then if you had to do a
massive restore you wouldn't want it restoring all the files that users
have since deleted but were backed up.  But how much data change is
present once a week?  Depends on the footprint of the data of course,
but for ours it was file shares and users weren't deleting much, it's
the other way around, they are pack rats and store everything....

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-----Original Message-----
From: WEAVER, Simon [mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net]=20
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:31 AM
To: Lewick, Taylor; Steve.Bally AT radisys DOT com;
Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Huge incrementals, with little data change

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I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM!

NBU 5.x streamed to do a Incr and no TIR is set in the policy, yet
today, still doing a full - which I now cancelled!

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I am going to try doing backups using TIME STAMP tonight!!

Cannot afford to go through this amount of tapes!

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No other client is affected!

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Simon Weaver
Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator=20

EADS Astrium
Tel: 02392-708598=20

Email: Simon.Weaver AT Astrium.eads DOT net=20

        -----Original Message-----
        From: Lewick, Taylor [mailto:tlewick AT hrblock DOT com]=20
        Sent: 16 November 2005 18:24
        To: Steve.Bally AT radisys DOT com; Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn 
DOT edu
        Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Huge incrementals, with little data
change

        This seems to be happening to quite a few people, its happening
to me in a similar environment on our file server.  Try turning off True
Image Restore...

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        -----Original Message-----
        From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of
Steve.Bally AT radisys DOT com
        Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:44 AM
        To: Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
        Subject: [Veritas-bu] Huge incrementals, with little data change

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        All,=20
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        Here is the situation, I have a server that has about 250Gb of
used space, and the incrementals are backing up over 215 GB every night,
this is a remote office and there is not that much activity on the
client to warrant the incrementals backing up that much data every day.=20
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        The NBU Environment is:=20
=09
        Win2k3 Master/Media=20
        NBU 4.5 FP7=20
=09
        Client is a Windows 2k3=20
        NBU 4.5 FP6=20
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        I am having a very difficult time trying to figure out why all
this data is being backed up every night.=20
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        Thanks,=20
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        Steve Bally
        Systems Engineer
        RadiSys Corporation
        www.radisys.com
        steve.bally AT radisys DOT com
        Desk: 503-615-1207=20
        Cell: 503-970-6201
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> using time =
stamp.&nbsp; Didn&#8217;t
work, the only solution is to turn of TIR, which if you do a weekly full =
then TIR
doesn&#8217;t really get you that much in my opinion.</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>TIR is helpful if you did a full =
once a
month, then if you had to do a massive restore you wouldn&#8217;t want =
it
restoring all the files that users have since delet</span></font><font =
size=3D2
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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face=3DArial><span
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back</span></font><font
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 color:navy'>ed</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> up.&nbsp; But =
how much data
change is present once a week?&nbsp; Depends on the footprint of the =
data of course,
but for ours it was file shares and users weren&#8217;t deleting much, =
it&#8217;s
the other way around, they are pack rats and store =
everything&#8230;.</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> WEAVER, Simon
[mailto:simon.weaver AT astrium.eads DOT net] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November =
17, 2005
1:31 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Lewick, Taylor;
Steve.Bally AT radisys DOT com; Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Veritas-bu] =
Huge
incrementals, with little data change</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I&nbsp;HAVE THE =
SAME
PROBLEM!</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>NBU 5.x streamed =
to do a
Incr and no TIR is set in the policy, yet today, still doing a full - =
which I
now cancelled!</span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I am going to =
try doing
backups using TIME STAMP tonight!!</span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Cannot afford to =
go
through this amount of tapes!</span></font></p>

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<div>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>No other client =
is
affected!</span></font></p>

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<div>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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Windows
Domain Administrator</span></font></b><font face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:
.5in'><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Lewick, Taylor
[mailto:tlewick AT hrblock DOT com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 16 November 2005 =
18:24<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
Steve.Bally AT radisys DOT com;
Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Veritas-bu] =
Huge
incrementals, with little data change</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This seems to be
happening to quite a few people, its happening to me in a similar =
environment
on our file server.&nbsp; Try turning off True Image =
Restore...</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Steve.Bally AT radisys DOT com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, November =
16, 2005
10:44 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Veritas-bu] =
Huge
incrementals, with little data change</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><br>
</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>All,</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Here
is the situation, I have a server that has about 250Gb of used space, =
and the
incrementals are backing up over 215 GB every night, this is a remote =
office
and there is not that much activity on the client to warrant the =
incrementals
backing up that much data every day.</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The
NBU Environment is:</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Win2k3
Master/Media </span></font><br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>NBU
4.5 FP7</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Client
is a Windows 2k3</span></font> <br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>NBU
4.5 FP6</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am
having a very difficult time trying to figure out why all this data is =
being
backed up every night.</span></font> <br>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font>
<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><br>
Steve Bally<br>
Systems Engineer<br>
RadiSys Corporation<br>
www.radisys.com<br>
steve.bally AT radisys DOT com<br>
Desk: 503-615-1207 <br>
Cell: 503-970-6201<br>
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