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Re[4]: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across network

2005-10-22 13:05:09
Subject: Re[4]: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across network
From: SJACOBSO AT novell DOT com (Scott Jacobson)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:05:09 -0600
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Hello,
 
Though not a turn key solution as Kate suggests, the integration of
iSCSI maybe something for you to consider.
 
I wanted to do something similar with a VLT and a CO-LO using iSCSI,
but management wasn't ready to invest in a relatively new architecture
without proven success stories.  If your not familiar with iSCSI, the
below is not a bad place to start.
 
http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci750136,00.html
 
I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has implemented a
VLT/VAULT process using iSCSI as well.
 
-sj

>>> Aleksandr Rainchik <rainchik AT mail DOT ru> 10/22/2005 12:05 am >>>

We are actually looking at VTL as a our "tape library" for Site A. And
yes,
some of those VTLs can replicate (over IP) in background. Too bad
NetBackup
does not know about those images/tapes that VTL replicated to off-site

location...

-----Original Message-----
From: "Greenberg, Katherine A" <GreenbergKA AT aetna DOT com>
To: "Aleksandr Rainchik" <rainchik AT mail DOT ru>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:49:24 -0400
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across network

> You also might want to take a look at a VTL that is more integrated
with
> your tape library.  That way it can handle the offload functionality
> itself. 
>  
> Buy a solution, not a bunch of stuff you have to put together ;)
>  
> ~Kate
>  
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of
Greenberg,
> Katherine A
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:43 AM
> To: Aleksandr Rainchik
> Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across
network
> 
> 
> 
> Yup makes sense. 
> 
> I've never been tasked with that particular issue and I don't think
I'd
> want to Vault over an IP link, but, you can probably set it up (I'm
sure
> someone will correct me if I'm wrong). Using the advanced
configuration
> options in the Vault settings, you can select a storage unit as
source
> and a storage unit as destination. You should be able to set Media
> server A STU as source and Media server B STU as destination.
> 
> Best of luck :) 
> 
> ~Kate 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> <mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu> ] On Behalf Of
> Aleksandr Rainchik
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:30 PM 
> To: Greenberg, Katherine A 
> Cc: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
> Subject: Re[2]: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across network 
> 
> 
> Kate, 
> 
> No, not exactly. 
> 
> Let's say we have two sites, Site A and Site B 
> 
> Here is how we do backup: 
> 
> Server A -> Media Server A -> Robot A -> Tape Drive A -> Tape A 
> 
> Here is how we want to do vault/duplication: 
> 
> Tape A -> Robot A -> Media Sever A -> [IP LINK(WAN)] -> Media Server
B
> -> Robot B -> Tape Drive B -> Tape B 
> 
> Backup image should be copied from Site A/ Robot A / Media Sever A
to
> different Site B / Robot B / Media Server B. 
> 
> Media servers A and B are connected to Robots A and B. Media Server
A
> does not have direct (FC) access to tapes on site B, there is only
IP
> link between sites.
> 
> Does it make sense? 
> 
> -- Alex 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: "Greenberg, Katherine A" <GreenbergKA AT aetna DOT com> 
> To: "Aleksandr Rainchik" <rainchik AT mail DOT ru> 
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:08:15 -0400 
> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across network 
> 
> > You can set it up so that you're doing an *Alternate Read server*
and 
> > read the tapes that are written on the source media server on the 
> > destination one so that the Vaulting is being done locally to one 
> > host. 
> > 
> > Is that what you're looking for? 
> > 
> > ~Kate 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
> > [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> <mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu> ] On Behalf Of 
> > Aleksandr Rainchik 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:01 AM 
> > To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
> > Subject: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across network 
> > 
> > 
> > Hello, 
> > 
> > Just wondering if anyone has experience with running NetBackup
Vault 
> > jobs where source tape drives are on one media server and
destination 
> > tape drives are on different media server, so you are doing Vault 
> > accross the network. 
> > 
> > We are looking into doing local backups to Virtual Tape library and
to
> 
> > use NetBackup Vault to copy those images to an off-site 
> > (real) tape library. 
> > 
> > Thank you! 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > Veritas-bu maillist  -  Veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu 
> > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
> <http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu>  
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Thank
> 
> > you. Aetna 
> > 
> > 
> 
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<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Though not a turn key solution as Kate suggests, the integration of =
iSCSI maybe something for you to consider.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I&nbsp;wanted to do something similar with a VLT and a CO-LO using =
iSCSI, but management wasn't ready to invest in&nbsp;a&nbsp;relatively =
new&nbsp;architecture without proven success stories.&nbsp; If your not =
familiar with iSCSI, the below is not a bad place to start.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci750136,0=
0.html">http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci750136,00.html</=
A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has implemented a =
VLT/VAULT process using iSCSI as well.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>-sj<BR><BR>&gt;&gt;&gt; Aleksandr Rainchik &lt;rainchik AT mail DOT ru&gt; 
=
10/22/2005 12:05 am &gt;&gt;&gt;<BR><BR>We are actually looking at VTL as =
a our "tape library" for Site A. And yes,<BR>some of those VTLs can =
replicate (over IP) in background. Too bad NetBackup<BR>does not know =
about those images/tapes that VTL replicated to off-site <BR>location...<BR=
><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: "Greenberg, Katherine A" =
&lt;GreenbergKA AT aetna DOT com&gt;<BR>To: "Aleksandr Rainchik" 
&lt;rainchik@mail=
.ru&gt;<BR>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:49:24 -0400<BR>Subject: RE: Re[2]: =
[Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across network<BR><BR>&gt; You also =
might want to take a look at a VTL that is more integrated with<BR>&gt; =
your tape library.&nbsp; That way it can handle the offload functionality<B=
R>&gt; itself. <BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; Buy a solution, not a bunch of =
stuff you have to put together ;)<BR>&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; ~Kate<BR>&gt;&nbsp=
; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; -----Original Message-----<BR>&gt; From: veritas-bu-admin@=
mailman.eng.auburn.edu<BR>&gt; [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman DOT 
eng.auburn.=
edu] On Behalf Of Greenberg,<BR>&gt; Katherine A<BR>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, =
October 19, 2005 8:43 AM<BR>&gt; To: Aleksandr Rainchik<BR>&gt; Cc: =
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR>&gt; Subject: RE: Re[2]: 
[Veritas-bu] =
Vaulting / duplication across network<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
Yup makes sense. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I've never been tasked with that =
particular issue and I don't think I'd<BR>&gt; want to Vault over an IP =
link, but, you can probably set it up (I'm sure<BR>&gt; someone will =
correct me if I'm wrong). Using the advanced configuration<BR>&gt; options =
in the Vault settings, you can select a storage unit as source<BR>&gt; and =
a storage unit as destination. You should be able to set Media<BR>&gt; =
server A STU as source and Media server B STU as destination.<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; Best of luck :) <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ~Kate <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; From: veritas-bu-admin@mailman=
.eng.auburn.edu<BR>&gt; [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT 
edu<BR>=
&gt; &lt;mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu&gt; ] On Behalf =
Of<BR>&gt; Aleksandr Rainchik<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Sent: Tuesday, October 18, =
2005 8:30 PM <BR>&gt; To: Greenberg, Katherine A <BR>&gt; Cc: veritas-bu@ma=
ilman.eng.auburn.edu <BR>&gt; Subject: Re[2]: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / =
duplication across network <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Kate, <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; No, not exactly. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Let's say we have two sites, =
Site A and Site B <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Here is how we do backup: <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt; Server A -&gt; Media Server A -&gt; Robot A -&gt; Tape Drive A =
-&gt; Tape A <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Here is how we want to do vault/duplication:=
 <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Tape A -&gt; Robot A -&gt; Media Sever A -&gt; [IP =
LINK(WAN)] -&gt; Media Server B<BR>&gt; -&gt; Robot B -&gt; Tape Drive B =
-&gt; Tape B <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Backup image should be copied from Site A/ =
Robot A / Media Sever A to<BR>&gt; different Site B / Robot B / Media =
Server B. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Media servers A and B are connected to Robots =
A and B. Media Server A<BR>&gt; does not have direct (FC) access to tapes =
on site B, there is only IP<BR>&gt; link between sites.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
Does it make sense? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -- Alex <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -----Origin=
al Message----- <BR>&gt; From: "Greenberg, Katherine A" &lt;GreenbergKA@aet=
na.com&gt; <BR>&gt; To: "Aleksandr Rainchik" &lt;rainchik AT mail DOT ru&gt; =
<BR>&gt; Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:08:15 -0400 <BR>&gt; Subject: RE: =
[Veritas-bu] Vaulting / duplication across network <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; =
You can set it up so that you're doing an *Alternate Read server* and =
<BR>&gt; &gt; read the tapes that are written on the source media server =
on the <BR>&gt; &gt; destination one so that the Vaulting is being done =
locally to one <BR>&gt; &gt; host. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Is that =
what you're looking for? <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; ~Kate <BR>&gt; &gt; =
<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; &gt; From: =
veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu <BR>&gt; &gt; 
[mailto:veritas-bu-ad=
min AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR>&gt; &lt;mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT 
mailman DOT eng.=
auburn.edu&gt; ] On Behalf Of <BR>&gt; &gt; Aleksandr Rainchik <BR>&gt; =
&gt; Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 11:01 AM <BR>&gt; &gt; To: veritas-bu@=
mailman.eng.auburn.edu <BR>&gt; &gt; Subject: [Veritas-bu] Vaulting / =
duplication across network <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; =
Hello, <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Just wondering if anyone has experience =
with running NetBackup Vault <BR>&gt; &gt; jobs where source tape drives =
are on one media server and destination <BR>&gt; &gt; tape drives are on =
different media server, so you are doing Vault <BR>&gt; &gt; accross the =
network. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; We are looking into doing local =
backups to Virtual Tape library and to<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; use NetBackup =
Vault to copy those images to an off-site <BR>&gt; &gt; (real) tape =
library. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Thank you! <BR>&gt; &gt; _____________=
__________________________________ <BR>&gt; &gt; Veritas-bu maillist&nbsp; =
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&gt; sender by reply e-mail and then delete this e-mail immediately.&nbsp; =
Thank<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; you. Aetna <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; =
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