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what vedor is your switch and gig cards? we have windows with gig cards which
do get set to auto (intel cards), they dont do full duplex as 10/100 cards do
it. some sun gig cards we can set to 1000/full.
"Jennifer C. Green" <jc AT goo-rooz DOT com> wrote:Does anyone have any info on
this with Gig cards - they only have Auto,
there are no other options. Veritas does not recommend Auto but in this
case there is no choice. This is a windows environment and I am seeing the
same thing - but interesting that this started happening when upgrading from
3.4.1 to 4.5 - has anyone seen this?
I am at my wits end and dont know how to solve. Veritas does have some ways
of testing network without NBU involved to show that it is not NBU but then
what do I tell the network guys?
Thanks for the dialougue, this is mostly helpful.
Jennifer
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From: "Coco, Samuel (Cont, ARL/CISD)"
To: "Paul Boatman" ;
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Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Is there an official document of client and server
N ICand switch settings
> YES !!! - - - >
>
> Here at ARL (Army Research Lab), we had the same issues. Once we
> demonstrated the variances and the networking team verified our claims
> using checkpoint and other tools - the entire organization now 'hard
> sets' the majority of our connections.
>
> Thank you,
>
>
> Samuel J. Coco, STG
> Functional Area Manager, ARL
> Sr UNIX Administrator
> BELL 301 394-1151 DSN 290
> CELL (B) 240 398-7121 / (H)443 496-1623
> HOME 410 604-2415
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> [mailto:veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Paul
> Boatman
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:33 AM
> To: Dwayne.Brzozowski AT mail.va DOT gov; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn
> DOT edu
> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Is there an official document of client and
> server N ICand switch settings
>
>
> I work at the 6th largest university in the country. About 1 year ago,
> the entire university was required to switch to AUTO-AUTO across ALL
> platforms because of network infrastructure changes ("eek !"). The
> impact on Veritas Netbackup has been ridiculous. Our drives are sitting
> here getting 10%-20% thruput, and our capacity is maxed out when it
> shouldn't be. Tape management and load balancing between 2 robots (1 of
> which is maxed out tape-wise, the other is maxed out drive-wise) is a
> nightmare. Upper management is blaming the software, scheduler, and
> drive technology claiming that they are not sufficient.
>
> Is anyone else in a similar situation ?
>
> What are the "settings that work" Dwayne ? I am very interested.
> Maybe we could present this info to our Network / Telecom guys. By the
> way Dwayne, I am a veteran so I sure do appreciate you guys in the VA.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> >>> "Biller, Tim" 3/18/2004 02:55:30 >>>
> Hi Cheryl,
>
> Have the Network Admins lock the switch port speed to 100Mbit and Full
> Duplex and make sure the client NIC is set exactly the same on ALL the
> servers. The Unix boxes will need setting explicitly as Mark says, and
> a file added to ensure they stay that way after a reboot. (Your
> sysadmins should know this....)
>
> Most network switches always auto-negotiate to the lowest possible speed
> so it's essential to lock this down. Any decent network admin should
> know this....
>
> Are you running on a dedicated backup LAN? If there's no impact on other
> systems there's absolutely no reason not to max out the ports and NICs.
>
>
> I'm not aware of any specific documentation that states that 100/Full
> should be used but if performance sucks under autoneg and it flies under
> 100/Full then there's your argument. What tape drives are you using?
> Are you using SSO?
>
> Cheers - Tim
>
>
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:03:10 -0700
> From: "King, Cheryl"
> To: "Veritas-Bu \(E-mail\)"
> Subject: [Veritas-bu] Is there an official document of client and server
> NIC and switch settings
>
> Over and over again we have problems with poor performance with new
> client backups and restores. Is there a document that says what the NIC
> settings should be for each client type? For example we have highest
> speed possible for all of them, half duplex for HP, and full duplex for
> everything else, I think (I haven't checked every system and wasn't here
> when some were implemented). Setting Auto detect on the switch seems to
> not work correctly
> (causes slow performance). I think the switches are set to match the
> server, but have no way to verify that. I'd like to be able to present
> an official document to the System Administrators and the Network
> Engineers that states the correct configuration requirements. Does
> Veritas have such a document or statement?
>
> Is this a problem in other environments? Is this just an issue in
> Veritas Backup environments? Are my SAs and Network Engineers not
> following some
> industry, standard, best-practices? I've been in IT for many years
> but
> working with Veritas NBU for 1 year. I don't recall ever having network
> issues like this before.
>
> NBU 4.5 FP5 Solaris 8 Master/Media
> Clients OSF1_V5, HP-UX 11.00, HP-UX10.20, Windows2000, WindowsNT,
> RedHat2.4, RedHat 2.2, Solaris8, Solaris7.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Cheryl King
>
>
> From: "Donaldson, Mark"
> To: "'King, Cheryl'" ,
> "Veritas-Bu (E-mail)"
>
> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Is there an official document of client and
> serv
> er NIC and switch settings
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:31:48 -0700
>
> The network settings are outside Netbackup control.
>
> You should always set to your highest possible speeds. For many
> server/switch combinations, auto-negotiation fails to negotiate the
> highest settings and they must often be forced to the best setting using
> ndd or similar utilities.
>
> Half-duplex performance stinks - are you sure that's what only what HP
> can do?
>
> Your network person should be able to query a smart-enough switch for
> the switch port settings, the SA should be able to query the ethernet
> port for the same settings.
>
>
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> National Business of the Year Award 2003.
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<DIV>what vedor is your switch and gig cards? we have windows with gig
cards which do get set to auto (intel cards), they dont do full duplex as
10/100 cards do it. some sun gig cards we can set to
1000/full.<BR><B><I>"Jennifer C. Green" <jc AT goo-rooz DOT com></I></B>
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Does anyone have any info on this with Gig
cards - they only have Auto,<BR>there are no other options. Veritas does not
recommend Auto but in this<BR>case there is no choice. This is a windows
environment and I am seeing the<BR>same thing - but interesting that this
started happening when upgrading from<BR>3.4.1 to 4.5 - has anyone seen
this?<BR><BR>I am at my wits end and dont know how to solve. Veritas does have
some ways<BR>of testing network without NBU involved to show that it is not NBU
but then<BR>what do I tell the network guys?<BR><BR>Thanks for the dialougue,
this is mostly helpful.<BR><BR>Jennifer<BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR>From: "Coco, Samuel (Cont, ARL/CISD)" <SCOCO AT ARL.ARMY DOT MIL><BR>To:
"Paul Boatman" <BOATM005 AT GROUPWISE.UMN DOT EDU>;<BR><DWAYNE.BRZOZOWSKI AT
MAIL.VA DOT GOV>; <VERITAS-BU AT MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN DOT EDU><BR>Sent: Thursday,
March 18, 2004 7:40 AM<BR>Subject: RE:
[Veritas-bu] Is there an official document of client and server<BR>N ICand
switch settings<BR><BR><BR>> YES !!! - - - ><BR>><BR>> Here at ARL
(Army Research Lab), we had the same issues. Once we<BR>> demonstrated the
variances and the networking team verified our claims<BR>> using checkpoint
and other tools - the entire organization now 'hard<BR>> sets' the majority
of our connections.<BR>><BR>> Thank you,<BR>><BR>><BR>> Samuel
J. Coco, STG<BR>> Functional Area Manager, ARL<BR>> Sr UNIX
Administrator<BR>> BELL 301 394-1151 DSN 290<BR>> CELL (B) 240 398-7121 /
(H)443 496-1623<BR>> HOME 410 604-2415<BR>> Email scoco AT arl.army DOT
mil<BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From:
veritas-bu-admin AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR>> [mailto:veritas-bu-admin
AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu] On Behalf Of Paul<BR>> Boatman<BR>> Sent:
Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:33 AM<BR>> To: Dwayne.Brzozowski AT mail.va DOT
gov;
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR>> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Is
there an official document of client and<BR>> server N ICand switch
settings<BR>><BR>><BR>> I work at the 6th largest university in the
country. About 1 year ago,<BR>> the entire university was required to switch
to AUTO-AUTO across ALL<BR>> platforms because of network infrastructure
changes ("eek !"). The<BR>> impact on Veritas Netbackup has been ridiculous.
Our drives are sitting<BR>> here getting 10%-20% thruput, and our capacity
is maxed out when it<BR>> shouldn't be. Tape management and load balancing
between 2 robots (1 of<BR>> which is maxed out tape-wise, the other is maxed
out drive-wise) is a<BR>> nightmare. Upper management is blaming the
software, scheduler, and<BR>> drive technology claiming that they are not
sufficient.<BR>><BR>> Is anyone else in a similar situation
?<BR>><BR>> What are the "settings that work" Dwayne ? I am very
interested.<BR>>
Maybe we could present this info to our Network / Telecom guys. By the<BR>>
way Dwayne, I am a veteran so I sure do appreciate you guys in the
VA.<BR>><BR>> Thanks,<BR>><BR>> Paul<BR>><BR>> >>>
"Biller, Tim" <TIM.BILLER AT UK.EXPERIAN DOT COM>3/18/2004 02:55:30
>>><BR>> Hi Cheryl,<BR>><BR>> Have the Network Admins lock
the switch port speed to 100Mbit and Full<BR>> Duplex and make sure the
client NIC is set exactly the same on ALL the<BR>> servers. The Unix boxes
will need setting explicitly as Mark says, and<BR>> a file added to ensure
they stay that way after a reboot. (Your<BR>> sysadmins should know
this....)<BR>><BR>> Most network switches always auto-negotiate to the
lowest possible speed<BR>> so it's essential to lock this down. Any decent
network admin should<BR>> know this....<BR>><BR>> Are you running on a
dedicated backup LAN? If there's no impact on other<BR>> systems there's
absolutely no reason
not to max out the ports and NICs.<BR>><BR>><BR>> I'm not aware of
any specific documentation that states that 100/Full<BR>> should be used but
if performance sucks under autoneg and it flies under<BR>> 100/Full then
there's your argument. What tape drives are you using?<BR>> Are you using
SSO?<BR>><BR>> Cheers - Tim<BR>><BR>><BR>> Date: Wed, 17 Mar
2004 12:03:10 -0700<BR>> From: "King, Cheryl" <CHERYL.KING AT INTRADO DOT
COM><BR>> To: "Veritas-Bu \(E-mail\)" <VERITAS-BU AT MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN DOT
EDU><BR>> Subject: [Veritas-bu] Is there an official document of client and
server<BR>> NIC and switch settings<BR>><BR>> Over and over again we
have problems with poor performance with new<BR>> client backups and
restores. Is there a document that says what the NIC<BR>> settings should be
for each client type? For example we have highest<BR>> speed possible for
all of them, half duplex for HP, and full duplex for<BR>> everything else, I
think (I haven't checked every system and wasn't here<BR>> when some were
implemented). Setting Auto detect on the switch seems to<BR>> not work
correctly<BR>> (causes slow performance). I think the switches are set to
match the<BR>> server, but have no way to verify that. I'd like to be able
to present<BR>> an official document to the System Administrators and the
Network<BR>> Engineers that states the correct configuration requirements.
Does<BR>> Veritas have such a document or statement?<BR>><BR>> Is this
a problem in other environments? Is this just an issue in<BR>> Veritas
Backup environments? Are my SAs and Network Engineers not<BR>> following
some<BR>> industry, standard, best-practices? I've been in IT for many
years<BR>> but<BR>> working with Veritas NBU for 1 year. I don't recall
ever having network<BR>> issues like this before.<BR>><BR>> NBU 4.5
FP5 Solaris 8 Master/Media<BR>> Clients OSF1_V5, HP-UX 11.00, HP-UX10.20,
Windows2000, WindowsNT,<BR>> RedHat2.4, RedHat 2.2, Solaris8,
Solaris7.<BR>><BR>> Thanks in advance.<BR>><BR>> Cheryl
King<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: "Donaldson, Mark" <MARK.DONALDSON AT
EXPERIANEMS DOT COM><BR>> To: "'King, Cheryl'" <CHERYL.KING AT INTRADO DOT
COM>,<BR>> "Veritas-Bu (E-mail)"<BR>> <VERITAS-BU AT MAILMAN.ENG.AUBURN
DOT EDU><BR>> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Is there an official document of
client and<BR>> serv<BR>> er NIC and switch settings<BR>> Date: Wed,
17 Mar 2004 12:31:48 -0700<BR>><BR>> The network settings are outside
Netbackup control.<BR>><BR>> You should always set to your highest
possible speeds. For many<BR>> server/switch combinations, auto-negotiation
fails to negotiate the<BR>> highest settings and they must often be forced
to the best setting using<BR>> ndd or similar utilities.<BR>><BR>>
Half-duplex performance stinks - are you sure that's what only what HP<BR>>
can do?<BR>><BR>> Your network
person should be able to query a smart-enough switch for<BR>> the switch
port settings, the SA should be able to query the ethernet<BR>> port for the
same settings.<BR>><BR>><BR>> This e-mail has come from Experian
International: winner of the UK's<BR>> National Business of the Year Award
2003.<BR>><BR>>
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