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[Veritas-bu] NBU 3.4 NDMP cloning

2002-12-18 20:37:23
Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU 3.4 NDMP cloning
From: robert AT softsource.com DOT sg (Robert Loh)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:37:23 +0800
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In that case, anywhere NDMP tape couldn't be read by non-NDMP drive, =
the
cloning will fail. If clone from one filer NDMP drive to media server
non-NDMP drive, that meant we read in NDMP format then written in =
non-NDMP
format(let say possible), in the case of recovery, how can we recover
non-NDMP format back to original filer ? There are totally in different
format.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kennedy, Jeffrey [mailto:jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:27 PM
To: Klaus.Micheler AT infineon DOT com; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NBU 3.4 NDMP cloning


It is possible but there are caveats.  You can easily duplicate NDMP =
images
on a media server; using the media servers resources.
You can also use the NDMP client's drives, but there is a severe =
performance
penalty in doing this; about a 40% penalty give or take a few =
percentage
points.

The best option I've found is just let the media server do all the
duplications, it's cleaner and faster than any other option.

If by cloning you mean inline copy, then the answer is no.  NDMP will =
only
do one stream at a time under NBU.

As to the original posters question, I believe the answer is no.  You =
can't
duplicate from one filer to another under 3.4.  I don't think you can =
do
that even with 4.5, but you can do it from the filer to the media =
server
(which I bet is why the tape loads in the media server drives).  There =
is a
config entry that will disallow NDMP tape loads in non-NDMP drives.  I
forget which conf file and the exact syntax, but I know there is at =
least
one person on this list that has the entry....

~JK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Klaus.Micheler AT infineon DOT com =
[mailto:Klaus.Micheler AT infineon DOT com]
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 11:54 PM
> To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
> Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NBU 3.4 NDMP cloning
>=20
> Is cloning of NDMP-images possible?
> I=B4ve tried it with NBU 4.5 without any success?
>=20
> regards,
> Klaus
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Loh [mailto:robert AT softsource.com DOT sg]
> Sent: Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2002 02:08
> To: Veritasbu (E-mail)
> Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU 3.4 NDMP cloning
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Hi All,
>=20
> Encounter problem while doing NDMP duplication from one NDMP drive to
> another NDMP drive, just wonder anybody face this problem before with =
Sun
> Solaris 7 and NBU 3.4 ? is there a bug in NBU 3.4
>=20
> The fact is we have one NetApp1 attached to two NDMP drive, during =
backup
> no
> problem, and this NetApp1 backing up NetApp2 as well which has one =
NDMP
> drive attached to it. After completed backup, we want to clone it =
from
> NetApp1 NDMP drive to NetApp2 NDMP drive then send the tape offsite. =
I
> notice when try to duplicate the NDMP media, it always get mounted to
> non-NDMP drives which is control by NetBackup server, definitely the
> duplication will failed.
>=20
> Any ideas much appreciated.
> Cheers...
> Robert
>=20
>=20
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In that case, anywhere NDMP tape couldn't be read by =
non-NDMP drive, the cloning will fail. If clone from one filer NDMP =
drive to media server non-NDMP drive, that meant we read in NDMP format =
then written in non-NDMP format(let say possible), in the case of =
recovery, how can we recover non-NDMP format back to original filer ? =
There are totally in different format.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Kennedy, Jeffrey [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT com">mailto:jkennedy AT qualcomm DOT 
com</A>]<=
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 10:27 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Klaus.Micheler AT infineon DOT com; =
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NBU 3.4 NDMP =
cloning</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It is possible but there are caveats.&nbsp; You can =
easily duplicate NDMP images on a media server; using the media servers =
resources.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You can also use the NDMP client's drives, but there =
is a severe performance penalty in doing this; about a 40% penalty give =
or take a few percentage points.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The best option I've found is just let the media =
server do all the duplications, it's cleaner and faster than any other =
option.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If by cloning you mean inline copy, then the answer =
is no.&nbsp; NDMP will only do one stream at a time under NBU.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>As to the original posters question, I believe the =
answer is no.&nbsp; You can't duplicate from one filer to another under =
3.4.&nbsp; I don't think you can do that even with 4.5, but you can do =
it from the filer to the media server (which I bet is why the tape =
loads in the media server drives).&nbsp; There is a config entry that =
will disallow NDMP tape loads in non-NDMP drives.&nbsp; I forget which =
conf file and the exact syntax, but I know there is at least one person =
on this list that has the entry....</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>~JK</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Klaus.Micheler AT infineon DOT com [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:Klaus.Micheler AT infineon DOT com">mailto:Klaus.Micheler@infine=
on.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 11:54 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NBU 3.4 NDMP =
cloning</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Is cloning of NDMP-images possible?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; I=B4ve tried it with NBU 4.5 without any =
success?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; regards,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Klaus</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; From: Robert Loh [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:robert AT softsource.com DOT sg">mailto:robert AT softsource.com 
DOT sg=
</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Sent: Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2002 02:08</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; To: Veritasbu (E-mail)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU 3.4 NDMP =
cloning</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Hi All,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Encounter problem while doing NDMP duplication =
from one NDMP drive to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; another NDMP drive, just wonder anybody face =
this problem before with Sun</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Solaris 7 and NBU 3.4 ? is there a bug in NBU =
3.4</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; The fact is we have one NetApp1 attached to two =
NDMP drive, during backup</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; no</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; problem, and this NetApp1 backing up NetApp2 as =
well which has one NDMP</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; drive attached to it. After completed backup, =
we want to clone it from</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; NetApp1 NDMP drive to NetApp2 NDMP drive then =
send the tape offsite. I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; notice when try to duplicate the NDMP media, it =
always get mounted to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; non-NDMP drives which is control by NetBackup =
server, definitely the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; duplication will failed.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Any ideas much appreciated.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Cheers...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Robert</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; =
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