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Are you sure about that? I thought the base product could do a maximum of
two inline copies, each restricted to the same retention whereas the Vault
option provided the ability to do more than two copies, and each one to have
a different retention.
I may be recalling this incorrectly.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Donaldson, Mark [mailto:Mark.Donaldson AT experianems DOT com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:44 AM
To: 'Fabbro, Andrew P'; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] NB 4.5 and Inline Copies?
Just a quick note that a big disappointment to me is that in-line copy is
part of the separately licensed Vault option. Unfortunately, my company is
not willing to buy the whole product to get this one feature.
-M
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From: Fabbro, Andrew P [mailto:Fabbro.Andrew AT cnf DOT com]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:28 PM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] NB 4.5 and Inline Copies?
My understanding from NB notes I've read is that 4.5 supports in-line backup
copies. e.g., you backup a client and write the backup to two tapes at the
same time. The NB release notes say you can do up to 9 copies at the same
time.
Putting additional drives needed, etc. aside for a moment, it seems like it
could be a good way to make offsite/disaster recovery backups without the
hassle of either duplicating tapes (which doesn't scale well) or running
another full backup
for offsite/DR purposes. I assume one could use Pool A for one copy and
Pool B for another and send Pool B offsite.
Some questions:
- Has anyone used inline copying? How well does it work?
- In NB 3.4.x, to use a duplicate of a tape, you need to flip it to the
primary copy. It's easy enough to script - does NB 4.5 work the same way?
- What about shared memory usage? The calculation for NB 3.4 is number of
data buffers x size of data buffers x number of drives x MPX per drive. For
a box driving DLT (64512 data buffer size recommended, maybe 64 data
buffers), it's not a major factor - usually not over 128Mb (say, 8 drives at
4 MPX each). With more recent technologies, you want fatter buffers, more
buffers, and more MPX - easily 512Mb of shared memory, maybe more. But I
can't imagine all of that is just to drive the tape - some of it is network
buffering, right? So if I need X kilobytes of shared memory for a tape
drive, do I need X times 2 for two drives doing the same backup in an
in-line backup? Or is it more like X times 1.5 (or whatever)?
Thanks,
-drew
fabbro.andrew AT cnf DOT com <mailto:fabbro.andrew AT cnf DOT com>
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<DIV><SPAN class=359154915-09072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Are
you sure about that? I thought the base product could do a maximum of two
inline copies, each restricted to the same retention whereas the Vault option
provided the ability to do more than two copies, and each one to have a
different retention.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=359154915-09072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=359154915-09072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I may
be recalling this incorrectly.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=359154915-09072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=359154915-09072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Steve</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Donaldson, Mark
[mailto:Mark.Donaldson AT experianems DOT com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July
09, 2002
7:44 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Fabbro, Andrew P';
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu]
NB 4.5
and Inline Copies?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=381014314-09072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Just
a quick note that a big disappointment to me is that in-line copy is part of
the separately licensed Vault option. Unfortunately, my company is not
willing to buy the whole product to get this one feature.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=381014314-09072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=381014314-09072002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>-M</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Fabbro, Andrew P
[mailto:Fabbro.Andrew AT cnf DOT com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 08, 2002
11:28
PM<BR><B>To:</B> veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT
edu<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Veritas-bu] NB 4.5 and Inline Copies?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>My
understanding
from NB notes I've read is that 4.5 supports in-line backup copies.
e.g., you backup a client and write the backup to two tapes at the same
time. The NB release notes say you can do up to 9 copies at the same
time.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=569531405-09072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>Putting
additional drives needed, etc. aside for a moment, it seems like it could
be
a good way to make offsite/disaster recovery backups without the hassle of
either duplicating tapes (which doesn't scale well) or running another full
backup</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>for offsite/DR
purposes. I assume one could use Pool A for one copy and Pool B for
another and send Pool B offsite.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=569531405-09072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>Some
questions:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=569531405-09072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV><SPAN
class=569531405-09072002>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>- Has anyone
used inline copying? How well does it work? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=569531405-09072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>-
</SPAN>In NB 3.4.x, to use a duplicate of a tape, you need to flip it to
the
primary copy. It's easy enough to script - does NB 4.5 work the same
way?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial size=2>- What
about shared memory usage? The calculation for NB 3.4 is number of
data buffers x size of data buffers x number of drives x MPX per
drive. For a box driving DLT (64512 data buffer size recommended,
maybe 64 data buffers), it's not a major factor - usually not over 128Mb
(say, 8 drives at 4 MPX each). With more recent technologies, you
want
fatter buffers, more buffers, and more MPX - easily 512Mb of shared memory,
maybe more. But I can't imagine all of that is just to drive the tape
- some of it is network buffering, right? So if I need X kilobytes of
shared memory for a tape drive, do I need X times 2 for two drives doing
the
same backup in an in-line backup? Or is it more like X times
1.5
(or whatever)?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial
size=2>-drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT
color=#0000ff> </FONT><A
href="mailto:fabbro.andrew AT cnf DOT com">fabbro.andrew AT cnf DOT
com</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=569531405-09072002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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