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[Veritas-bu] NB 4.5 and Inline Copies?

2002-07-09 01:27:46
Subject: [Veritas-bu] NB 4.5 and Inline Copies?
From: Fabbro.Andrew AT cnf DOT com (Fabbro, Andrew P)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 22:27:46 -0700
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My understanding from NB notes I've read is that 4.5 supports in-line backup
copies.  e.g., you backup a client and write the backup to two tapes at the
same time.  The NB release notes say you can do up to 9 copies at the same
time.
 
Putting additional drives needed, etc. aside for a moment, it seems like it
could be a good way to make offsite/disaster recovery backups without the
hassle of either duplicating tapes (which doesn't scale well) or running
another full backup
for offsite/DR purposes.  I assume one could use Pool A for one copy and
Pool B for another and send Pool B offsite.
 
Some questions:
 
- Has anyone used inline copying?  How well does it work?  
 
- In NB 3.4.x, to use a duplicate of a tape, you need to flip it to the
primary copy.  It's easy enough to script - does NB 4.5 work the same way?
 
- What about shared memory usage?  The calculation for NB 3.4 is number of
data buffers x size of data buffers x number of drives x MPX per drive.  For
a box driving DLT (64512 data buffer size recommended, maybe 64 data
buffers), it's not a major factor - usually not over 128Mb (say, 8 drives at
4 MPX each).  With more recent technologies, you want fatter buffers, more
buffers, and more MPX - easily 512Mb of shared memory, maybe more.  But I
can't imagine all of that is just to drive the tape - some of it is network
buffering, right?  So if I need X kilobytes of shared memory for a tape
drive, do I need X times 2 for two drives doing the same backup in an
in-line backup?  Or is it more like X times 1.5  (or whatever)?
 
Thanks,
 
 
-drew
  fabbro.andrew AT cnf DOT com <mailto:fabbro.andrew AT cnf DOT com> 
 
 

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>My understanding 
from NB notes I've read is that 4.5 supports in-line backup copies.&nbsp; e.g., 
you backup a client and write the backup to two tapes at the same time.&nbsp; 
The NB release notes say you can do up to 9 copies at the same 
time.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=569531405-09072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>Putting additional 
drives needed, etc. aside for a moment, it seems like it could be a good way to 
make offsite/disaster recovery backups without the hassle of either duplicating 
tapes (which doesn't scale well) or running another full 
backup</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>for offsite/DR 
purposes.&nbsp; I assume one could use Pool A for one copy and Pool B for 
another and send Pool B offsite.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=569531405-09072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>Some 
questions:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>- Has anyone used 
inline copying?&nbsp; How well does it work?&nbsp; </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
class=569531405-09072002></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN class=569531405-09072002>- </SPAN>In 
NB 
3.4.x, to use a duplicate of a tape, you need to flip it to the primary 
copy.&nbsp; It's easy enough to script - does NB 4.5 work the same 
way?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial size=2>- What about 
shared memory usage?&nbsp; The calculation for NB 3.4 is number of data buffers 
x size of data buffers x number of drives x MPX per drive.&nbsp; For a box 
driving DLT (64512 data buffer size recommended, maybe 64 data buffers), it's 
not a major factor - usually not over 128Mb (say, 8 drives at 4 MPX 
each).&nbsp; 
With more recent technologies, you want fatter buffers, more buffers, and more 
MPX - easily 512Mb of shared memory, maybe more.&nbsp; But I can't imagine all 
of that is just to drive the tape - some of it is network buffering, 
right?&nbsp; So if I need X kilobytes of shared memory for a tape drive, do I 
need X times 2 for two drives doing the same backup in an in-line backup?&nbsp; 
Or is it more like X times 1.5&nbsp; (or whatever)?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>-drew</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=569531405-09072002><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT 
color=#0000ff>&nbsp;</FONT><A 
href="mailto:fabbro.andrew AT cnf DOT com">fabbro.andrew AT cnf DOT 
com</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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