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AFAIK, Control-M shouldn't even see the 20 job streams. We use Control-M to
handle all our NetBackup backups and I think Control-M only knows about the
return code from the "bpbackup -i" command, not any of the actual job
streams that are caused by that command. The job code that is tracked
within Control-M correctly indicates the return code from NetBackup when the
overall job completes. If any one of the 20 streams fails, the whole job is
listed as a failure in Control-M and they notify the correct people to
decide if it should be rerun. As to the restart issue, I do agree that it
would be really great if there were some way to issue a command to NetBackup
to rerun only one stream, but there isn't yet. Perhaps someday.
Steve
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From: Trotman, Kevin [mailto:Kevin_Trotman AT AFCC DOT com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 12:52 PM
To: 'White, Steve'; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Control M
Yes, but if there isn't a way to re-run the failed portion from command line
by specifying that filesystem/drive on the command line, why would I want to
re-run a job that is over a terabyte because one small stream failed. Also,
how will I track in a scheduling monitor if that job finishes correctly if
it streams into 20 pieces all having different jids?? I may be able to pull
that original jid from the netbackup db for tracking, but how do I find all
of its subsidiaries? It seems to make more sense that when a backup breaks
into several different streams/jobs with different ids, then I should be
able to re-run each one from a scheduler rather than tracking the whole
thing & re-running it. I can easily export the file-list for one job if I
had a way to re-run it.
My only other alternative is to break a large client up into many smaller
classes. Boy that's a pain. As I see it, Netbackup can't be a production
environment without having it operationally monitored. And I can't monitor
it from an operation group with that kind of deficiency. There are some (or
many) environments where missing an oracle hotbackup is a production outage.
It has to be re-run immediately. But it can't be monitored as such if
multistreaming is used, and without multistreaming, it requires rerunning
what may be a multiple terabyte job.
Just one of my pet pieves, but it is a big issue for me...
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: White, Steve [mailto:Steve.White AT pacificorp DOT com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 9:57 AM
To: 'Brian_Drager AT vanguard DOT com'; veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Control M
Control-M will not be able to restart one stream, it would have to run the
whole job stream. This is one potential reason to allow NetBackup to retry
the job since it will be able to only run the failed stream.
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian_Drager AT vanguard DOT com [ mailto:Brian_Drager AT vanguard DOT com
<mailto:Brian_Drager AT vanguard DOT com> ]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:04 AM
To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Control M
Control M question for NetBackup,
If you have a class that setup using multi-streaming and all_local_drives
defined in files list, how does control M know which failed backup to kick
off
asusuming C:\ & D:\ finished and E:\ failed.
Thanks
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=453025620-05122001>AFAIK,
Control-M shouldn't even see the 20 job streams. We use Control-M to
handle all our NetBackup backups and I think Control-M only knows
about the return code from the "bpbackup -i" command, not any of
the actual job streams that are caused by that command. The job code
that is tracked within Control-M correctly indicates the return code from
NetBackup when the overall job completes. If any one of the 20 streams
fails, the whole job is listed as a failure in Control-M and they notify the
correct people to decide if it should be rerun. As to the restart
issue, </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=453025620-05122001>I do agree that it would be really great
if there were some way to issue a command to NetBackup to
rerun only one stream, but there isn't yet. Perhaps
someday. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=453025620-05122001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=453025620-05122001>Steve </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=453025620-05122001> </SPAN>Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
Trotman, Kevin [mailto:Kevin_Trotman AT AFCC DOT com]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Wednesday,
December 05, 2001 12:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'White, Steve';
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Veritas-bu]
Control
M<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=333372620-05122001>Yes,
but if there isn't a way to re-run the failed portion from command line by
specifying that filesystem/drive on the command line, why would I want to
re-run a job that is over a terabyte because one small stream failed. Also,
how will I track in a scheduling monitor if that job finishes correctly if it
streams into 20 pieces all having different jids?? I may be able to pull that
original jid from the netbackup db for tracking, but how do I find all of its
subsidiaries? It seems to make more sense that when a backup breaks into
several different streams/jobs with different ids, then I should be able to
re-run each one from a scheduler rather than tracking the whole thing &
re-running it. I can easily export the file-list for one job if I had a way
to
re-run it.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=333372620-05122001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=333372620-05122001>My
only other alternative is to break a large client up into many smaller
classes. Boy that's a pain. As I see it, Netbackup can't be a production
environment without having it operationally monitored. And I can't monitor it
from an operation group with that kind of deficiency. There are some (or
many)
environments where missing an oracle hotbackup is a production outage.
It has to be re-run immediately. But it can't be monitored as such if
multistreaming is used, and without multistreaming, it requires rerunning
what
may be a multiple terabyte job.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=333372620-05122001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=333372620-05122001>Just
one of my pet pieves, but it is a big issue for me...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=333372620-05122001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=333372620-05122001>Kevin</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> White, Steve
[mailto:Steve.White AT pacificorp DOT com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday,
December 05,
2001 9:57 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Brian_Drager AT vanguard DOT com';
veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE:
[Veritas-bu]
Control M<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<P><FONT size=2>Control-M will not be able to restart one stream, it would
have to run the whole job stream. This is one potential reason to
allow NetBackup to retry the job since it will be able to only run the
failed stream.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
Brian_Drager AT vanguard DOT com [<A
href="mailto:Brian_Drager AT vanguard DOT com">mailto:Brian_Drager AT
vanguard DOT com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 6:04 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT
size=2>To: veritas-bu AT mailman.eng.auburn DOT edu</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Subject: [Veritas-bu] Control M</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Control M question for NetBackup,</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>If you have a class that setup using multi-streaming and
all_local_drives</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>defined in files list, how does
control M know which failed backup to kick off</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>asusuming C:\ & D:\ finished and E:\ failed.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=2>Thanks</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
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