Hello Jim,

To augment Michael's statement: you have the option of using either
solution for Windows 2008: the normal NetWorker Client or NMM.  If you
have none of the applications that Michael lists, then you probably to
not want the additional complexity and cost of NMM.  You might choose
NMM if you want to manage snapshots of your data disks.

Microsoft does indeed mandate that VSS be used to backup the OS for
Vista and Windows 2008 and later.  Both of the above solutions use VSS.

The particular message that you have seen with NMM ("backup1 received
client install notification") was a known problem in 2.1.  I believe
that there was a hotFix, but NMM 2.2 was released in May, and this
problem was fixed there.

Thanks,
_Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: EMC NetWorker discussion [mailto:NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU] On
Behalf Of Michael Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:24 AM
To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [Networker] Windows 2008, VSS, & NMM

Windows Server 2008 only supports VSS for system states and volume
backups (VSS was optional for Windows Server 2003). The standard
NetWorker Client always uses VSS for Windows Server 2008 backups. The
NetWorker Module for Microsoft (NMM) would only be required if Windows
Server applications (Exchange, SQL, SharePoint, Hyper-V, etc.) are
installed and require backup support. 

-----Original Message-----
From: EMC NetWorker discussion [mailto:NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU] On
Behalf Of Jim Buitt
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:15 AM
To: NETWORKER AT LISTSERV.TEMPLE DOT EDU
Subject: [Networker] Windows 2008, VSS, & NMM

We are currently running NetWorker 7.4.4.Build.634 Network Edition/190
on Solaris 10, having a mixed backup environment of Linux, Solaris, Mac
OS X, and Windows.  The Networker server has an attached disk array (6
TB worth of storage using ZFS) for backups to disk, and a 100 slot
jukebox (Sun StorEdge L100)

We have two Windows 2008 (SP2) servers with multiple TBs (4+ and
growing) worth of attached storage (Dell Powervault).  The Windows
servers are using DFS and are also running Active Directory.  We are
unable to get successful backups with the Networker client 7.4.4 either
because:

  a.) We don't have it set up correctly on the server, or

  b.) By design it is unable to work with the new features of Windows
2008

We have been told by Microsoft Tech Support that the only way to get
successful backups on Windows 2008 is to use snapshots (VSS ?).

We have also attempted to use a trial version of the Networker Module
for Microsoft Applications (ver. 2.1) and cannot get it to work either.

I have gone through the documentation for NMM and have set up the backup
client on the server what I believe to be correct but when I attempt a
backup, I get the following messages from the server as "backup1
received client install notification":

  NetWorker client: (notice) itsad1.domain.host.edu: Snapshot requested
for: SYSTEM COMPONENTS:\,E:\,D:\,C:\.

  NetWorker client: (notice) itsad1.domain.host.edu: Volume backup: VSS
Writer files and folders will be excluded for backup and restore of:
E:\,D:\,C:\, :VSS Writer files and folders are backed up and restored
only when the VSS Writer is listed in the saveset list..

  NetWorker client: (notice) itsad1.domain.host.edu: Snapshot completed
for: SYSTEM COMPONENTS:\,E:\,D:\,C:\.

  NetWorker client: (notice) itsad1.domain.host.edu: Importing snapshot
for: C:\,D:\,E:\.

  NetWorker client: (notice) itsad1.domain.host.edu: Deporting snapshot
for: C:\,D:\,E:\.


Questions:

1. Do we actually need the Module for Microsoft Applications to get
successful backups of Windows 2008 clients or can we just use the normal
backup client using VSS set up a certain way?

2. If we a required to use the Module, how do we specify what to back
up?  Can we do it in manageable "chunks" ?  (since backing up 4+ TB will
take many, many hours)  How is it licensed on the server?  Per
client/Per amount of disk space used?


Thanks in advance,
Jim

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Information Technology Services
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville
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