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Re: [Networker] AIT-3 capacity

2003-11-25 13:16:15
Subject: Re: [Networker] AIT-3 capacity
From: "Shelley L. Shostak" <sls AT QSTECH DOT COM>
To: NETWORKER AT LISTMAIL.TEMPLE DOT EDU
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:16:04 -0800
OK, Here is what I have on AIT-3 tapes.  Any tape with under 150 GB was a tape
that was marked prematurely full because of a bug with Networker and NDMP
backups.  The data are mostly unix home directories, which may include large
(2 GB) files from Synopsys and Cadence tools.  They may be sparse files that
compress easily.  I set "limit core 0", so there should be very little from
core files (note that NDMP does not have directives to skip core files).

My past experience with compression is that was way back with DLT IV and
typical compression was 1.7:1 rather than the advertised 2:1.

    138 GB full  11/19/04    0 KB    11     50 GB 3501446426  212 8mm AIT-3
    333 GB full  11/14/04    0 KB    41     50 GB 713487250    69 8mm AIT-3
     56 GB full  06/20/04    0 KB    16     50 GB 3773748481   17 8mm AIT-3
    242 GB full  09/26/04    0 KB    30     50 GB 1635024676    9 8mm AIT-3
    196 GB full  08/22/04    0 KB    37     50 GB 154394171    24 8mm AIT-3
    248 GB full  03/14/04    0 KB     2    100 GB 1604939777    8 8mm AIT-3
    314 GB full  11/03/04    0 KB    55     50 GB 3935250322  420 8mm AIT-3
    189 GB full  10/19/04    0 KB    27     50 GB 4254008988  110 8mm AIT-3
    302 GB full  10/31/04    0 KB    19     50 GB 3029353177   12 8mm AIT-3
    386 GB full  09/26/04    0 KB    32     50 GB 1481004563  147 8mm AIT-3
    162 GB full  04/04/04    0 KB     2    100 GB 1984741377   24 8mm AIT-3
    239 GB full  10/24/04    0 KB    33     50 GB 3046129617   15 8mm AIT-3
    149 GB full  07/25/04    0 KB    10     50 GB 3020013536   21 8mm AIT-3
    363 GB full  11/07/04    0 KB    20     50 GB 1618247853  126 8mm AIT-3
    272 GB full  09/19/04    0 KB    15     50 GB 4266628328   66 8mm AIT-3
    375 GB full  10/10/04    0 KB    17     50 GB 1919653867   96 8mm AIT-3
    258 GB full  10/03/04    0 KB    11     50 GB 7901980      24 8mm AIT-3
    218 GB full  11/07/04    0 KB    20     50 GB 3064118890   18 8mm AIT-3
    127 GB full  06/06/04    0 KB     2    100 GB 3464167169   12 8mm AIT-3
    237 GB full  08/22/04    0 KB    47     50 GB 3023908132    9 8mm AIT-3
    276 GB full  11/07/04    0 KB    12    100 GB 749463133    12 8mm AIT-3
    197 GB full  08/08/04    0 KB    11     50 GB 472235738    24 8mm AIT-3
    208 GB full  05/09/04    0 KB     3    100 GB 2755659521   33 8mm AIT-3
    220 GB full  09/19/04    0 KB    31    100 GB 2035862337   15 8mm AIT-3
    272 GB full  11/13/04    0 KB    33     50 GB 145138029   282 8mm AIT-3
    241 GB full  04/18/04    0 KB     6    100 GB 1917554689   36 8mm AIT-3
    140 GB full  08/22/04    0 KB    12     50 GB 3105982737   71 8mm AIT-3
    209 GB full  09/26/04    0 KB    20    100 GB 1969962524   18 8mm AIT-3
     80 GB full  08/24/04    0 KB     7    100 GB 3712630897   11 8mm AIT-3
    235 GB full  06/13/04    0 KB    32    100 GB 3308771585   36 8mm AIT-3
     48 GB full  06/20/04    0 KB    25    100 GB 3929314561   65 8mm AIT-3
    124 GB full  06/06/04    0 KB     6    100 GB 3153646337  131 8mm AIT-3
    176 GB full  06/29/04    0 KB    16    100 GB 4294138847   15 8mm AIT-3
    282 GB full  08/15/04    0 KB    19    100 GB 1728274978  123 8mm AIT-3
    139 GB full  04/25/04    0 KB     3    100 GB 2534016769   18 8mm AIT-3
     73 GB full  11/19/04    0 KB    14    100 GB 2578783338  122 8mm AIT-3
    213 GB full  05/23/04    0 KB     5    100 GB 2998191361   27 8mm AIT-3
     97 GB full  06/22/04    0 KB     8    100 GB 3308619265  145 8mm AIT-3
    189 GB full  09/12/04    0 KB    36     50 GB 3746183122   24 8mm AIT-3
    254 GB full  07/28/04    0 KB    10    100 GB 3122759061   15 8mm AIT-3
    227 GB full  08/01/04    0 KB    13     50 GB 505774447    15 8mm AIT-3
    317 GB full  11/10/04    0 KB    26     50 GB 2359129550  357 8mm AIT-3
     61 GB full  11/12/04    0 KB    12    100 GB 715910549    33 8mm AIT-3
    208 GB full  11/14/04    0 KB    18     50 GB 2562007359    5 8mm AIT-3
    180 GB full  10/03/04    0 KB     3    100 GB 4286092474    8 8mm AIT-3
    114 GB full  10/12/04    0 KB    18     50 GB 3028999736    6 8mm AIT-3
    116 GB full  10/12/04    0 KB     8     50 GB 2978677942   11 8mm AIT-3
    236 GB full  10/31/04    0 KB     2    100 GB 2962251603   15 8mm AIT-3
    125 GB full  10/27/04    0 KB    15     50 GB 127146018   170 8mm AIT-3
    153 GB full  11/14/04    0 KB     2    100 GB 732686343     8 8mm AIT-3
    196 GB full  11/21/04    0 KB     1    100 GB 4257120418   12 8mm AIT-3


Shelley



On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Darren Dunham wrote:

> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 08:15:23 -0800
> From: Darren Dunham <ddunham AT TAOS DOT COM>
> Reply-To: Legato NetWorker discussion <NETWORKER AT LISTMAIL.TEMPLE DOT EDU>,
>      Darren Dunham <ddunham AT TAOS DOT COM>
> To: NETWORKER AT LISTMAIL.TEMPLE DOT EDU
> Subject: Re: [Networker] AIT-3 capacity
>
> > Well yes, but I wouldn't call the case of databases, especially if
> > they're backed up by modules specific to the database, a case of
> > compression in the sense that people usually mean it.   Databases have
> > much in common with spare matrices where they can be largely empty
> > space.   And we see that freqently a database dump is way, way smaller
> > than the database.   So the real issue was, I thought,  what people
> > could expect under normal circumstances, which would certainly not be
> > anything like 260 gb on a 100 gb tape.
>
> It can still happen, I would just be suspicious of it happening
> constantly.  Most of my experience is with 35/70 DLT7000s.  My Exchange
> databases were rarely outside the 53-57GB range.  Day in, day out, very
> consistent.  Portions of the database itself must have been compressed.
>
> Most of our full backups were pretty close to standard, from 60 to 80
> GB, with somewhere around 66-68GB being about normal.
>
> The incrementals were all over the board, but tended to compress more
> than the fulls.  I had several 100GB+ tapes.  That's more than 2.8:1.
> The average was much closer to 2:1, but I never calculated a real
> average.
>
> Any tape that reported more than 120GB was suspicious and I checked it
> out.  I did have some problems a few years ago with some tapes getting
> portions overwritten, so the reported figure was greater than the actual
> figure.

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