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Re: [ADSM-L] AW: [ADSM-L] AW: [ADSM-L] Greetings & request for help

2009-01-07 11:21:25
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] AW: [ADSM-L] AW: [ADSM-L] Greetings & request for help
From: Yudi Darmadi <yudi AT NIAGAPRIMA DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 23:19:59 +0700 
Hai Andrew & Ralph, and all.
I think i've got the point, maybe i missed something in retention configuration. Could you help determine how to set the retention? Because now I manage the retention by the volume usage (rotation). Basicly i set daily backup-archive to diskpool, then copy (backup stgpool) to daily_tape_pool, the rotation is 1 week. So after one week, before backup-archive operation, i set an automated process for deleting volume for that day. For Weekly backup, i set it to store on weekly_diskpool, migrate to weekly_tape_pool. 
For monthly backup, it store to monthly_tape_pool.


Thanks in advance for your help,
Regards,
Yudi Darmadi
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Raibeck" <storman AT US.IBM DOT COM> 
To: <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] AW: [ADSM-L] AW: [ADSM-L] Greetings & request for help


Ralph, I think you are on to something.

The way TSM works, if there is more than one management class with the
same highest RETONLY value, then the management class name whose name is
highest in sort order (ascending A -- Z), then that is the one picked for
directories.

When NTFS security attributes are removed from the backup picture, the
directories probably do not appear changed, so no attempt is made to back
them up.

When NTFS security attributes are included for backup, there are probably
one or more directories that appear changed. When TSM tries to back them
up to a pool with no available storage, you get the "out of storage space"
error.

Best regards,

Andy

Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Product Development
Level 3 Team Lead
Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS
Internet e-mail: storman AT us.ibm DOT com

IBM Tivoli Storage Manager support web page:
http://www.ibm.com/software/sysmgmt/products/support/IBMTivoliStorageManager.html


The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The command line is your friend.
"Good enough" is the enemy of excellence.

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU> wrote on 01/07/2009
08:08:09 AM:


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AW: [ADSM-L] AW: [ADSM-L] Greetings & request for help

Bethke, Ralph

to:

ADSM-L

01/07/2009 08:13 AM

Sent by:

"ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU>

Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager"

Dear Yudi,

might not solve your problem but there are a few things which need
to be discussed:

1)
All backup copy groups have exactly the same (default?) retention
settings. Therefore I can not see any reason why you have setup
different management classes.

2)
There is one backup copy group which refers to a non-existing or non
"readwrite" storagepool named WEEKLY_DISK_POOL.
Any backup using that management class will most-likely fail unless
there is a valid and writable "Next Storage Pool" defined for that
primary storage pool

3)
TSM stores directory tree information first as far as I know.
In order to make sure that directory tree metadata information will
be available as long as there is valid backup data, TSM will by
default use the management class with the logest retetion period to
store directory information. In theory if all management classes
have the same retention levels it should store the directory
information with the same management class which is used during a
backup session to store the actual files.
Wonder if it happens in your case that TSM selects the inappropriate
MC for directory information and therefore fails (e.g. tries to
backup that data into the WEEKLY_DISK_POOL).
Please (only for test purpose) add the following line to your
dsm.opt and retry backup:

DIRMC DAILY_MC

This will force TSM to use a specific management class for directory
information.



Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Best regards

Ralph Bethke

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] Im
Auftrag von Yudi Darmadi
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 7. Januar 2009 13:06
An: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Betreff: Re: [ADSM-L] AW: [ADSM-L] Greetings & request for help

Dear Ralph,

===> Nothing show up on activity log, just session for the
node(client) started, then ended.
========================================================================
THe Client's option file:

commmethod       TCPIP
tcpport          1500
NODENAME   TEST

MANAGEDSERVICES   WEBCLIENT
QUERYSCHEDPERIOD   3
*SCHEDMODE   PROMPTED
SCHEDLOGNAME   "c:\program files\tivoli\tsm\baclient\dsmsched.log"
SCHEDLOGRETENTION   N

*BTPN
TCPSERVERADDRESS   xx.xx.xx.xx

PASSWORDACCESS   GENERATE
TCPNODELAY   NO
REVOKEREMOTEACCESS ACCESS
RUNASSERVICE   YES
SCHEDCMDDISABLED   YES
SRVPREPOSTSCHEDDISABLED   YES
REPLACE   PROMPT
TCPCLIENTADDRESS       xx.xxx.xx.xx
SESSIONINITIATION   SERVERONLY

SCHEDMODE   POLLING
COMMRESTARTDURATION   10

EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\microsoft uam volume\...\*"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\microsoft uam volume\...\*.*"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\...\EA DATA. SF"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\IBMBIO.COM"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\IBMDOS.COM"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\IO.SYS"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\...\system32\config\...\*"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\...\system32\Perflib*.dat"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\...\system32\dhcp\...\*"
INCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\...\system32\dhcp\backup\...\*"
EXCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\...\system32\dns\...\*"
INCLUDE.BACKUP "*:\...\system32\dns\backup\...\*"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\microsoft uam volume\...\*"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\microsoft uam volume\...\*.*"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\...\EA DATA. SF"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\IBMBIO.COM"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\IBMDOS.COM"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\IO.SYS"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\...\system32\config\...\*"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\...\system32\Perflib*.dat"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\...\system32\dhcp\...\*"
INCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\...\system32\dhcp\backup\...\*"
EXCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\...\system32\dns\...\*"
INCLUDE.ARCHIVE "*:\...\system32\dns\backup\...\*"
EXCLUDE.DIR "*:\System Volume Information"
EXCLUDE.DIR "*:\...\Temporary Internet Files"
EXCLUDE.DIR "*:\Recycled"
EXCLUDE.DIR "*:\Recycler"

========================================================================
===> Result of the "q copy * active f=d"

                  Policy Domain Name: BTPN_DOMAIN
                     Policy Set Name: ACTIVE
                     Mgmt Class Name: DAILY_MC
                     Copy Group Name: STANDARD
                     Copy Group Type: Backup
                Versions Data Exists: 2
               Versions Data Deleted: 1
               Retain Extra Versions: 30
                 Retain Only Version: 60
                           Copy Mode: Modified
                  Copy Serialization: Dynamic
                      Copy Frequency: 0
                    Copy Destination: DISKPOOL Table of Contents
(TOC) Destination:
      Last Update by (administrator): ADMIN
               Last Update Date/Time: 12/01/2008 15:56:48
                    Managing profile:
                     Changes Pending: No

                  Policy Domain Name: BTPN_DOMAIN
                     Policy Set Name: ACTIVE
                     Mgmt Class Name: MONTHLY_MC
                     Copy Group Name: STANDARD
                     Copy Group Type: Backup
                Versions Data Exists: 2
               Versions Data Deleted: 1
               Retain Extra Versions: 30
                 Retain Only Version: 60
                           Copy Mode: Modified
                  Copy Serialization: Dynamic
                      Copy Frequency: 0
                    Copy Destination: MONTHLY_TAPE_POOL Table of
Contents (TOC) Destination:
      Last Update by (administrator): ADMIN
               Last Update Date/Time: 12/01/2008 16:29:56
                    Managing profile:
                     Changes Pending: No

                  Policy Domain Name: BTPN_DOMAIN
                     Policy Set Name: ACTIVE
                     Mgmt Class Name: WEEKLY_MC
                     Copy Group Name: STANDARD
                     Copy Group Type: Backup
                Versions Data Exists: 2
               Versions Data Deleted: 1
               Retain Extra Versions: 30
                 Retain Only Version: 60
                           Copy Mode: Modified
                  Copy Serialization: Dynamic
                      Copy Frequency: 0
                    Copy Destination: WEEKLY_DISK_POOL Table of
Contents (TOC) Destination:
      Last Update by (administrator): ADMIN
               Last Update Date/Time: 12/22/2008 20:32:16
                    Managing profile:
                     Changes Pending: No


=========================================================================


===> Result of "q copy * active f=d t=a"

Policy Domain Name: BTPN_DOMAIN
                Policy Set Name: ACTIVE
                Mgmt Class Name: DAILY_MC
                Copy Group Name: STANDARD
                Copy Group Type: Archive
                 Retain Version: 365
           Retention Initiation: Creation
            Retain Minimum Days:
             Copy Serialization: Dynamic
                 Copy Frequency: CMD
                      Copy Mode: Absolute
               Copy Destination: DISKPOOL Last Update by
(administrator): ADMIN
          Last Update Date/Time: 12/01/2008 15:57:19
               Managing profile:
                Changes Pending: No

             Policy Domain Name: BTPN_DOMAIN
                Policy Set Name: ACTIVE
                Mgmt Class Name: MONTHLY_MC
                Copy Group Name: STANDARD
                Copy Group Type: Archive
                 Retain Version: 365
           Retention Initiation: Creation
            Retain Minimum Days:
             Copy Serialization: Dynamic
                 Copy Frequency: CMD
                      Copy Mode: Absolute
               Copy Destination: MONTHLY_TAPE_POOL Last Update by
(administrator): ADMIN
          Last Update Date/Time: 12/01/2008 16:30:10
               Managing profile:
                Changes Pending: No

             Policy Domain Name: BTPN_DOMAIN
                Policy Set Name: ACTIVE
                Mgmt Class Name: WEEKLY_MC
                Copy Group Name: STANDARD
                Copy Group Type: Archive
                 Retain Version: 365
           Retention Initiation: Creation
            Retain Minimum Days:
             Copy Serialization: Dynamic
                 Copy Frequency: CMD
                      Copy Mode: Absolute
               Copy Destination: WEEKLY_DISK_POOL Last Update by
(administrator): ADMIN
          Last Update Date/Time: 12/22/2008 20:32:50
               Managing profile:
                Changes Pending: No


==========================================================================


===> Result of "q mgmt"

Policy        Policy        Mgmt          Default       Description
Domain        Set Name      Class         Mgmt
Name                        Name          Class ?
--------- --------- --------- --------- ------------------------ 
BTPN_DOM-     ACTIVE        DAILY_MC      Yes           Daily Management

Class

  AIN
BTPN_DOM-     ACTIVE        MONTHLY_-     No            Monthly
Management Class
  AIN                         MC
BTPN_DOM-     ACTIVE        WEEKLY_MC     No            Weekly
Management Class
  AIN
BTPN_DOM-     BTPN_PS       DAILY_MC      Yes           Daily Management

Class

  AIN
BTPN_DOM-     BTPN_PS       MONTHLY_-     No            Monthly
Management Class
  AIN                         MC
BTPN_DOM-     BTPN_PS       WEEKLY_MC     No            Weekly
Management Class
  AIN



===============================================================================


Thanks a lot, and Best Regards,

  Yudi Darmadi
  PT. Niagaprima Paramitra
  Jl. Ahmad Dahlan No. 25 Kebayoran Baru, Jakarta Selatan 12130

Indonesia

  Phone : +62 21 72799949; Fax : +62 21 72799950; Mobile : +62 819 055

30830

  http://www.niagaprima.com

Quoting "Bethke, Ralph" <ralph.bethke AT MGI DOT DE>:

> Dear Yudi,
>
> is it possible to provide more information like an excerpt of the
> activity log on the TSM server from the failing backup session?
> Please also provide the following information:
>
> dsm.opt file of the client
> Output of "q copy * active f=d"
> Output of "q copy * active f=d t=a"
> Output from "q mgmt"
>
>
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Best regards
>
> Ralph Bethke
>

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