ADSM-L

Re: Random Access Disk Pools

2006-04-05 08:12:10
Subject: Re: Random Access Disk Pools
From: "Park, Rod" <rod.park AT TYSON DOT COM>
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:10:12 -0500
So, can someone explain the difference at the TSM level and aggregate
level. Really I'm trying to understand, if I have a primary disk pool
that does not migrate, it will be the final onsite resting place of
data. As data expires and fragmentation occurs. That space is unusable
if I'm not migrating to another primary area? Eventually I'll have to
allocate more? Below is what comparison doc showed as "consideration of
fragmentation" for random access pools. Guess I'm not sure what the diff
is between tsm level and aggregate level.

TSM level - fragmentation will occur as TSM allocates and frees space
within the Storage Pool.  Migration tends to relieve this fragmentation

Aggregate level - fragmentation occurs as files expire within an
aggregate.  DISK pools cannot reclaim this wasted space until all files
in the aggregate have expired

-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Rushforth, Tim
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:21 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Random Access Disk Pools

See http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=0&uid=swg21218415 for
comparison of disk vs devclass=file


-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Park, Rod
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:39 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Random Access Disk Pools

Let me ask again because I didn't get much feedback. How do we find the
thread limit, and can people weigh in on whether they use big disk pools
(50TB-200TB). The advantages/disadvantages of big disk pools versus
devclass=file any gotchas either way. We are looking at buy a lot more
disk and creating big diskpools to land data on and be the primary pool
instead of tape. Thank in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Andy Huebner
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:43 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Random Access Disk Pools

We found the limit.  There are some posts in this forum from the first
of the year about the problem we ran into.

Andy Huebner

-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Park, Rod
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:45 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Random Access Disk Pools

We use random access pools, how do you know what your thread limit
is....we've never had any issues with ours but we're thinking about
adding a lot more. What's the biggest reason you do/don't use
devclass=file over disk storage pools....arguments either way?

-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Andy Huebner
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:37 PM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] Random Access Disk Pools

Be careful with how many disk pool volumes you create.  Each volume uses
1 thread, add this to all of the other threads in use, our TSM server
would die at around 1800 active threads.

Andy Huebner

-----Original Message-----
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU] On Behalf Of
Andrew Carlson
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 11:04 AM
To: ADSM-L AT VM.MARIST DOT EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] Random Access Disk Pools

I have heard in the past that random access disk pools can become
fragmented and practically unusable after a while.  I was wondering
if anyone sees this in the real world?  I posted the other day about
managing predefined volumes in a file type devclass, and the only
answer I got said they were using random access pools.  I would MUCH
rather have a random access pool, so if there is no problem with
this, I will convert over to random access.  Thanks for any input.

TSM 5.3.2.3 on AIX 5.2.5  EMC Clarion Disk, 120 TB in 2TB LUN's

Andy Carlson
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